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HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby mctuba1 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:53 pm

Over the years as we grow older, the weight of the tuba can sometimes be a concern, especially for those dealing with health and back issues. It almost seems that I speak to customers daily regarding the weight of certain models as they research new horns to replace their older or existing heavier equipment.

Question, how much does weight become a factor in your purchase?

Question, what is your current model tuba and its weight?

I am going to guess, but I assume the MW 2165 is the heaviest tuba I have ever owned.

Here is a start to the list and I will add to it as posts are made.

Conn 25J, 31 pounds.

MW Thor Silver 19" bell 27.3 lbs

Willson 3050 RZ -- 25.5 lbs

Alex 163 5v Hand Made raw brass, highly modified 24.4 lbs

Alex 163 4v Hand Made raw brass 22.6 lbs

ZO 6/4 Silver York model Hand Made 23.8 lbs

Gronitz lacquer piston F 18.3 lbs

B&S PT8 6v Gold brass hand raw brass made17.7 lbs

B&S PT8 5v hand made raw brass 16.2 lbs

Mack Brass lacquer 5v F tuba (B&S style) 19.0 lbs

Cerveny 6/4 Giant Helicon 4v F 14.4 lbs

ZO lacquer funky 5v travel Tuba in F 13.3 lbs

MACK Brass lacquer 4v travel F tuba 5.4 lbs
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby bloke » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:06 pm

My 5450 doesn't weigh that much.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Tubaru » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:36 pm

My 5450 in silver plate weighs about 27lbs.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby bloke » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:51 pm

I'll weigh mine again, but I stuck it on Mrs.bloke's fancy scale that's perfect for stuff in this weigh range.
I can't do it for a couple of days, until I'm home from this gig...EXCEPT there's a Greyhound station between the rehearsal hall and the hotel... :idea:
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby bort » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:56 pm

Willson 3050 RZ -- 25.5 lbs

Need to weigh the PT7 when I get it back. Feels lighter than the Willson, but not sure that it is.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby GC » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:05 pm

Conn 25J, 31 pounds.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby mctuba1 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:07 pm

Tubaru wrote:My 5450 in silver plate weighs about 27lbs.


It will be interesting to see different weights on same model tubas. The difference could be attributed to the different scale readings and I would imagine that there will be a difference due to manufacturing itself.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby mctuba1 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:16 pm

GC wrote:Conn 25J, 31 pounds.


WOW, is this a 5/4 or 6/4 and how many valves?
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby bort » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:16 pm

Marzan (large piston CC): 24 lbs
Cerveny 653: 14 lbs
Miraphone 1291 CC: 22 lbs
Neptune (rotary): 25 lbs
Miraphone 188 (gold brass): ~22 lbs?
VMI/MW 30: ~20 lbs
Rudy Meinl 4/4 CC: low 20s
Willson 3050RZ: 25.3 lbs

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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Ace » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:15 pm

Weril 4 piston valves, 3/4 CC tuba = 14 lbs

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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Mike C855B » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:02 pm

Conn 28J - 23#
Miraphone 191-4V - 23#

The same reading with both horns was suspect until I weighed the empty case for the 191, which came to 28#. At 51# together, no wonder I gripe about the schlep.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Worth » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:13 pm

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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Bill Troiano » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:33 am

Great thread, Tom. This has been a concern of mine over the past few years. I'm in my mid + 60's and I've messed up my back a few times. I really don't want to deal with any tuba over 20 lbs. anymore. And, I play sousaphone a lot. I think it weighs 25 lbs. I have 2 gigs with it today - a 4 hr. gig followed by a 3 hr. gig. I'll feel it tomorrow, but sousaphone weight should be another whole topic. I'll try and weigh my tubas (not mentioned so far on this thread) tomorrow.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Three Valves » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:11 am

Using the unscientific digital bathroom scale subtraction method, the Mack 210L is 25lbs without mouthpiece. It feels heavier than that. But then of course, I’m getting older... :(
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Conn 2J CC » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:34 am

Conn 2J CC - 16 lbs.
Conn 32J BBb - 24 lbs.

Years down the road, I'm sure the 32J will leave the stable first. The 2J is much easier to lug around.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Donn » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:23 am

mctuba1 wrote:Question, how much does weight become a factor in your purchase?


Not much.

Question, what is your current model tuba and its weight?


Holton 109, 31 lbs.

I am going to guess, but I assume the MW 2165 is the heaviest tuba I have ever owned.


How much does it weight?
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby oedipoes » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:33 am

B&F kaiser BBb = 9,5kg (20.9lbs)
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby Kirley » Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:10 pm

mctuba1 wrote:
GC wrote:Conn 25J, 31 pounds.


WOW, is this a 5/4 or 6/4 and how many valves?


Conn 25Js are 6/4 horns with 4 top-action valves and an upright bell. They're classic American BATs. :)
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby GC » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:24 pm

Exactly. It’s like a 20J with 4 short-action valves and a ridiculously wide upright bell. It’s about 3 pounds more than a 20J.
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Re: HOW MUCH DOES YOUR TUBA WEIGH?

Postby bloke » Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:08 am

My 5450 "Thor" - weighed on a very accurate high-quality scale...a scale designed to weigh things in this weight range - weighs a scant amount under 24-1/2 lbs. (with no mouthpiece inserted).

OK...my pistons, buttons, stems, and springs are all strikingly lighter than stock, but - with o.e.m parts, I can't imagine the total weight being bumped up to more than just barely 25 lbs.

This instrument is from the first batch shipped to the USA, so is there a chance the more of the body parts were fabricated of sheet metal? The upper bow is certainly not thick, but - even so - I would doubt that the bows on my very early 5450 are fabricated of sheet metal. (It's difficult to see seams on polished brass, particularly on the inside curve of a bow, and many here know what my opinions are regarding factory lacquered instruments which have been stripped of their lacquer.)

One other - likely, more significant - difference is the bell diameter circumference. The pancake difference in the bell (original verses currently-manufactured version) defines 33 square inches of additional sheet brass in the currently-offered version, plus there are also 3-5/8" of additional bell bead material on the currently-offered version as compared to the original version...

...so Tom's report of a 5450 "Thor" in his shop which registers strikingly more weight (the better part of three pounds more) may well be accurate.

Does .0004" of silver coating weigh significantly more than .001" of lacquer coating? I'll let others figure that out.
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