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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Three Valves » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:09 pm

Just don’t show up in bare feet, please!!
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby fenne1ca » Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:30 pm

Mike C855B wrote:
dgpretzel wrote:... I also prefer that the women wear black gowns or even pants, and don't show bear legs or arms. ...


Oooo. You touch on a sore subject with a college ensemble I play with. Concert attire for men is conventional black suit, white shirt, black long tie. Attire for the ladies is black dress or black pantsuit. Unfortunately, too many of the women interpret that as "little black dress" - or it's the only black in their closet - and as you can guess there have been issues vis-a-vis sitting on a stage. The past couple of years the director had to be specific about "below the knee, please" after getting nastygrams from offended concert attendees.


I've seen this come up a lot with younger players, too. In college, our non-major ensemble had simple concert guidance of "all black." One young lady determined that a mostly-sheer black top, fur-trimmed vest, short skirt, fishnet stockings, and 4" heels fit the definition just fine. The group's adherence to a professional standard took priority over its need for an 8th flautist. The stage manager had a pointed conversation with her, and she did not perform that evening.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Three Valves » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:35 pm

fenne1ca wrote:
I've seen this come up a lot with younger players, too. In college, our non-major ensemble had simple concert guidance of "all black." One young lady determined that a mostly-sheer black top, fur-trimmed vest, short skirt, fishnet stockings, and 4" heels fit the definition just fine. The group's adherence to a professional standard took priority over its need for an 8th flautist. The stage manager had a pointed conversation with her, and she did not perform that evening.


By “not perform” you mean she didn’t play the flute?? :shock:
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Tubaryan12 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:49 pm

My concert wear when jacket is required is usually a tuxedo. The tux was purchased used from a tux shop. The Bill Blass jacket was probably only rented once, and the pants had never been rented (un-hemmed). The cost was less than any suit that I could buy, and the pants were hemmed for free. Total out the door was around $75.

I can also use the tux (since it has a more modern lapel than my last suit) on formal nights when I'm on a cruse.

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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby bloke » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:13 am

Ryan,
You look like a million bucks in that thing (it fits GREAT!) :shock: ...and yes "formal nights on a cruise" is one of the appropriate (PERFECT) applications for a "tuxedo" 8) ...but you would look even more distinguished (on stage, performing with an ensemble) in "TAILS". :wink: :idea:
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby BrassedOn » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:28 am

Yes, you can get a cheap tux from JC Penny when they have their annual suit sale. I HAD to get a tux for a particular short term cruise gig. Specified “not suit” in the contract. Awful. Uncomfortable. Hot. And I looked like the ship’s waiters.

Short of that, for regular jobs, local civic groups etc anyone not granting me health benefits, which is where I pretty much draw the line on any directive,...but I guess I’d have to bow and wear a tux for a symphony job, but I think iverpe played my last one. One weekend on tenor tuba or utility trombone, I think I can get by.

For regular Joe gigs, Invest in a high quality black suit, wool blend at least or summer weight wool, that feel like pajamas but wear and look like a high quality tux. High quality shirt and shoes. Tie your own tie bow tie,or straight. And commerbund if and only if necessary. In short, dress like an adult professional. And you can go decades with no question or comment except from the trombone players. And they have no pull or say.

It is just not worth being uncomfortable in a cheap or even mid range tux. And a suit can be worn forever. Gosh as a tuba player, someone is gonna die before their time. Maybe me. Again, ultimate suit wins.

And I’m done with bands that wear polos. I don’t work for Bennigan’s.
I just wear a dress shirt in a similar color, sans bandie emblem, and refer to my health benefits requirement. You can take my community band dues but not my self respect.

I just subbed and played October fest with a band that wore matching t shirts. Uggh. I wore short sleeve dress shirt and a smart tribley. Patrons bought who a beer? The guy dressed like an adult.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Donn » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:49 am

BrassedOn wrote:And I’m done with bands that wear polos. I don’t work for Bennigan’s.


I don't know who's Bennigan, but I can't see myself in a polo shirt. Maybe because I have never worn one. I dropped out of a band that I had just started rehearsing with, when it developed that the polo shirt was the uniform for a gig that was coming up. (I also seem to remember something about Santa Claus hats, but I think that was a little farther off.) The polo shirt was a sort of weird grey color that leaned towards blue-green but somehow managed to have some pink in it too, like they'd gotten a batch that was made with whatever dyes were left over at the end of the day.

Though a page or two ago I proposed the turtleneck, I have to admit that was not entirely genuine. I've done it, but I'm not crazy about them.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby bloke » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:56 am

A black long sleeve tux T-shirt with a fake turtleneck overlay ("dickey") might make for an interesting fashion statement...??

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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby iiipopes » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:10 am

Cheap? CHEAP? Come on, guys: get a real one. A deal is one thing, like the good deal mentioned above, but get a real one out of real wool. No poly. No blends. Have it tailored properly. Watch your weight over the years and make sure the trousers have enough extra material in the waist. It should last over 20 years for those of us mere mortals who play occasionally, and at least a decade for those who play more often. This is an investment over time, like the tuba is. We pay how many thousands of dollars for tubas, cases and accessories, but won't spring for a few hundred for a real tuxedo when required to play it? Come on....
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby bloke » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:54 pm

good quality…sure...but the main point of my thread is to distinguish between a "tuxedo" and "tails".

I haven't played any weddings in the last couple of years, frankly, and weddings are the only times that I am ever asked to wear my tuxedo at a job. Everything else is tails, black suit, or all black. I don't even believe that I own a white dinner jacket anymore, which used to be the norm for outdoor evening concerts. I believe the part of the country that I live in has something to do with white dinner jackets having become extinct. They are just too hot, and – in this area – we wear all black at evening outdoor concerts or white dress shirts and black suit pants. For such concerts, I have one of those nice Caribbean (worn outside, and not tucked in) white dress shirts.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Voisi1ev » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:54 pm

iiipopes wrote:Cheap? CHEAP? Come on, guys: get a real one. A deal is one thing, like the good deal mentioned above, but get a real one out of real wool. No poly. No blends. Have it tailored properly. Watch your weight over the years and make sure the trousers have enough extra material in the waist. It should last over 20 years for those of us mere mortals who play occasionally, and at least a decade for those who play more often. This is an investment over time, like the tuba is. We pay how many thousands of dollars for tubas, cases and accessories, but won't spring for a few hundred for a real tuxedo when required to play it? Come on....



I might just be clumsy, but between band directoring and tuba carrying I end up going through a stupid number of tuxedos so I started buying cheap ones. Just random tares and scratches from loading/unloading/hitching up trailers and such.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby dgpretzel » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:10 pm

I have no experience with tails. Maybe my experience with tuxes also applies to tails. Dunno.

I prefer the fit of a tux to a suit. The trousers are fuller, the rise is longer, etc., thus, I find tux trousers much more comfortable (to me). Easier to sit down and stand up, too. I characterize the fit as sort of like "my grandfather's suits", and I moan about the cut and fit of modern trousers every time I shop for a suit. Interesting to me that the last time I shopped for trousers and made a comment to that effect, the salesman, who seemed particularly knowledgeable and competent (which I find relatively rare) remarked that he hears that a lot from his customers.

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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby bloke » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:56 pm

There are several cuts of men's suits, with a few seen below. An even closer fit than any of these three is (was) known as the "European" cut. Needless to say, most tuba players would not choose that cut. :shock:

Tails trousers feature the stripe down the side (just as do wedding tux trousers), but tend to be higher-waisted. The waist of tails trousers is covered by the bottom of a white vest. Wedding tux trousers (straight-bottomed coat) feature a waist point similar to regular men's slacks, and that waist is covered by a cummerbund. btw...Cummerbunds are supposed to be worn with the folds pointing upward, not downward. Many online pictures of them (for sale) display them upside-down, as photographers and website creators do not know this.

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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Tubaryan12 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:45 am

BrassedOn wrote:I’m done with bands that wear polos. I don’t work for Bennigan’s.
I just wear a dress shirt in a similar color, sans bandie emblem, and refer to my health benefits requirement. You can take my community band dues but not my self respect.

I just subbed and played October fest with a band that wore matching t shirts. Uggh. I wore short sleeve dress shirt and a smart tribley. Patrons bought who a beer? The guy dressed like an adult.

Funny, but I have the exact opposite feeling about short sleeve dress shirts. When I see them, I think of young boys dressing for Easter and McDonald's managers. Give me the polo....as lomg as it doesn't have wide horizontal stripes. 8)
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Cdub » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:52 am

We should simply just start wearing these: https://goo.gl/v24YNw .

It would be far more professional.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby Donn » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:03 am

Sorry, but it looks like that isn't wool.
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby bloke » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:51 am

Donn,
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby David Richoux » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:24 am

Best uniform I ever wore was when I played with the “Be Natural Jazz Band” - black bow tie and towel! (We played at several Naturalist resorts in California.)
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby mikebmiller » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:21 pm

Was it "good naked" or "bad naked?"
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Re: Tuxedos are for coachmen and weddings, not concerts.

Postby BrassedOn » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Donn wrote:
BrassedOn wrote:And I’m done with bands that wear polos. I don’t work for Bennigan’s.


I don't know who's Bennigan, but I can't see myself in a polo shirt.


Bennigan's was the early 1990s precursor to Applebee's and Chili's restaurants. In the movie "Office Space" (a modern classic IMHO), Jennifer Anniston works in what is basically a Bennigan's, for which she wears a polo, suspenders, and just the required amount of "flair". Classic!

That's what I feel when someone asks me to play music in something dopey.
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