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Postby tofu » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:43 am

Nice 15 minute interview with Ben Jaffe on the legacy of Allan & Sondra Jaffe and Preservation Hall and the new documentary called "A Tuba to Cuba". Some nice vintage shots/video of musicians / Preservation Hall / etc. even Allan playing his helicon.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/ben-jaffe-creative-director-of-preservation-hall/
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby bloke » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:14 am

Thank-you very much for the link. In particular, I enjoyed seeing the picture of Allan Jaffe playing the Buescher helicon (as only one or two other photographs have ever been uploaded to the internet showing him with that instrument).

When the interviewer, early on, quotes a specific lyric from the (original, and I'm not even certain it even made it to the first published sheet music https://i.imgur.com/uV3Tnlc.jpg ) lyrics to to Basin Street Blues (re: Storyville) and relates it to "diversity"...and even - specifically - to *"Jelly Roll" Morton singing that song, he expresses extraordinary naïveté - not only in his lack of a grasp of the purpose of the "meetings", but also lack of knowledge of a historical timeline, as well as (possibly?) a lack of understand of the origin of Mr. LaMothe's nickname, "Jelly Roll". To clarify re: the timeline, "Basic Street Blues" was not composed (and - fwiw - not by LaMothe/Morton) until well after (more than a decade after) "The District" (nickname: "Storyville") was shut down.

By the time Bing Crosby recorded it, the lyric had become this:
Where the elite always meet


...and (I seem to remember hearing...I should probably have used youtube prior to posting) that Louis Armstrong (on his same-year-as-written recording substituted something to the effect/affect of (mildly suggestive and intimating)
first street they meet


Just fwiw, the only time I ever personally heard the
where the black and white folks meet


lyric sung was when I played a riverboat gig well over forty years ago, and by a trombone player who was born just after the end of the Storyville era. The interviewer (linked video) states that he himself grew up in New Orleans, yet didn't seem to have a proper historical timeline in his own head.

The footage of Alphonse Picou (in the video) is not from Preservation Hall. I recognize it as having been snipped from this television broadcast which aired two years prior to the establishment of Preservation Hall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ftr_knt4D8 I tend to wonder if this national broadcast gave Allan Jaffe the idea to move to New Orleans and to establish the place with which we are all familiar today.

What is mentioned about bandstand club-owner arrests in New Orleans (for race-mixing on stage) is true. I managed a ten-minute interview out of Sam Butera two or three years before he passed away. I managed this by - slowly, one-by-one - buying c.d.'s off his bandstand from him (at a Tunica, Mississippi casino) while continually asking him questions. He explained to me (with his olive skin, somewhat large facial features, and short black hair) that he would be kicked off the bandstands by police (prior to his long stint in Las Vegas as Louis Prima's bandleader) in New Orleans BOTH for "being black, and playing with white bands" AND for "being white, and playing with black bands".

A long-time Memphian (professional trombonist...not the one previously mentioned/vocalist/tuba doubler) who grew up in New Orleans in the 1940's through the 1950's and who lurks here (still maintains the distinctive vocal accent), surely knows a good bit more about New Orleans history than do I, and could (were he to decide to post) elaborate/correct what I've posted here. I have always judged him to possess a curious/investigative/scholarly mind.
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*For those who remain unaware of the meaning of the slang, "jelly roll"...and have found older arrangements of LaMothe's/Morton's compositions using his proper first name, "Ferdinand", these Williams lyrics (which are a complete double entendre) to another song (with its exclusive topic being a "jelly roll") should clarify:
I ain't gonna give nobody none of this jellyroll,
I wouldn't give you a piece of this cake to save your soul!
Oh, my ma told me today,
Before she went away, oh, baby,
"Be a good boy!" She'd bring me some toys,
You know I'm her heart and pride and joy;
Ain't no use for you to go on hanging around,
You know I love you well, but I gotta turn you down,
Turn you down,
Oh, my jellyroll is sweet, and it sure is hard to beat.
Oh, I know you want it, but you ain't gonna get it.
I ain't gonna give you none.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/I_Aint_Gonna_Give_Nobody_None_O_This_Jelly_Roll_cover.jpg
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Three Valves » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:03 pm

I smell a thesis...
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby bloke » Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:20 pm

Three Valves wrote:I smell a thesis...


Does someone have a listhp?
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Art Hovey » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 am

Basin Street Blues has a long history. Spencer Williams gets credit as composer, but he only published the chorus.
Jack Teagarden and Glenn Miller got together and composed the verse, ("Won't you come along with me...") borrowing the melody of that opening line from Jelly Roll Morton's "Jungle Blues".
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Three Valves » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:44 pm

I understand “Jelly Roll’s” stage name was originally “Big Dark Chocolate Eclair” but when he started getting published, it didn’t make it past the censors!!
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby bloke » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:38 pm

Three Valves wrote:I understand “Jelly Roll’s” stage name was originally “Big Dark Chocolate Eclair” but when he started getting published, it didn’t make it past the censors!!


Just please don't say "jazz"...or - if you write it - please do NOT spell it "jass".
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Ken Herrick » Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:03 am

Three Valves wrote:I smell a thesis...



YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A possible title could be "Race and Music in America: the history and influence of "Jazz" from New Orleans and beyond".

Depending on the emphasis the authour wanted to put on various factors, other titles (streams) could be applied.

The music of "the South", with its multiplicity of starting points, is well deserving of some thorough study with several possible branches.

Maybe some tuba playing doctoral candidate somewhere will explore and harvest this and come up with something more worthwhile than a final recital of RVW concerto and other bits of over performed, undermusical pap.
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby bloke » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:46 am

Surely, someone should be able to prove (through "research") that the lyric "where the black and white folks meet" referred to Orwellian multiculturalism, and not merely to "heading up into Storyville to get some".
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Three Valves » Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:23 pm

A cigar is never just a cigar.

Not any more, it ain’t!!
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Three Valves » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:01 pm

Ken Herrick wrote:
Three Valves wrote:I smell a thesis...



YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A possible title could be "Race and Music in America: the history and influence of "Jazz" from New Orleans and beyond".

Depending on the emphasis the authour wanted to put on various factors, other titles (streams) could be applied.


Hey.

I said thesis.

Not another Ken Burns 20 part series!! :tuba:
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby Art Hovey » Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:45 pm

Bloke, here's another photo of Alan Jaffe with his helicon:
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We were the warmup act for the Pres. Hall band that night in the huge basement of the Hartford Civic Center. I also had a nice chat with Narvin Kimball.

Some famous rock band was playing up in the main hall; I think it was the Stones.
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby bloke » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:12 pm

' great picture, Art.
Thanks for finding/scanning/posting it !
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Re: Ben Jaffe on Armanpour & Co. - PBS aired 11/16/18

Postby David Richoux » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:55 pm

I first met Al Jaffe in the late 70s - Los Trancos Woods Community Marching Band opened at Stanford University Frost Amphitheater’s 4th of July show for many years, Pres Hall was always the closer. Al saw my WW1 era Conn Helicon and wanted to buy it, but since it was my only parade horn at the time, I had to refuse. He did invite all of us to come to NOLA for the recently started Jazz Festival and some of us took him up on that. He had offered to put us up for the week in the “back room” of the hall, but when we got there we saw it was a dirt floor warehouse and full of spiders and bugs - much more than other buildings in The Quarter, so we declined. He said jazz fans from Europe stayed there all the time but we still declined.
He did let me play a few of the Helicons in his collection and after that he said I could sit in for a few songs at the end of the last set of the night. Having played for a couple of years in a Lu Watters/Turk Murphy style band, I said I would do that. I did OK, but afterwards the pianist (I forget who it was that night) told me “All you West Coast guys don’t play some of the chords right!” But he wasn’t being mean about it ;-)

That evening is when I met 8 or 9 year old Ben.
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