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163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upSaw an interesting picture of an Alexander 163 with a valve set up that I have not seen before. Most CCs are 4+1 piston or 5 rotor with the 5th being with right thumb. Has anyone ever played a Alexander with the 3+2 set up?
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Re: 163 CC Rudy with 3+2 valve set upDid you mean an Alexander 163?
Can you share the picture?
Re: 163 CC Rudy with 3+2 valve set upYou are right, it is an Alexander.
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Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upB&S 3097(sold)
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Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upThis particular horn has a very odd set up with a conventional right hand 1,2,3. LH1 looks to be a normal 4th (1-3 combo). LH2 looks to be a long half step which would preclude playing a low Db with all 5 down.
I have an old Alexander 156 F that is a 3+3 - the valve set up is the same, except that LH3 is the long whole step enabling all the chromatic notes plus an alternate pedal F with all 6 down. Having the typical 4th valve in the left hand takes some getting used to. It also practically guarantees that you will not be able to move slides when playing in the low range. Alexander 163 CC 5V, B&S PT3, Mel Culbertson Neptune, Gronitz PCK, B&S Symphonie F 6V
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upAll I could see were pictures of 40-bucks fake leather coats…?
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upHello ssbolas,
I believe the photos are from an Alexander 163 CC that was recently sold at an auction in France. The setup with 3 valves RH and 2 valves LH are meant to emulate the same system used on Saxhorns in France. I have seen Alexanders in both CC and F, Hirsbrunners in CC and F and the occasional B&S F using this system. Usually the valves are tuned: RH 1 = one whole tone RH 2 = one half tone RH 3 = either 1 1/2 or 2 tones LH 4 = either a quart valve or a long whole tone LH 5 = either a quint valve or a long half tone Regards, TheBerlinerTuba
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upIndeed, probably made for the French or Belgian market.
I have played one, and know of 2 other Rudi 4/4CC's with the same (3+2 rotary) valve configuration in Belgium. 3rd is 2 whole tones and 5th a long half tone. They were probably ordered to replace older Mahillon or Persy or some French brand CC tubas with 3+2 pistons in the same configuration. Last edited by oedipoes on Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upDidn't Thein used to make a 3 + 2 piston BBb?
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set up
Don't know, but Rudi did... it was discussed here: http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24944&start=20 The original pictures got lost on Tubenet, but I found them on my PC: You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Re: 163 CC Alexander with 3+2 valve set upAnd this is a Hirsbrunner in 3+2 configuration (was also sold some time ago in France)
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