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PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby highsierra » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:33 pm

Thought you would like to see a photo of a B&S PT7 and Rudy RM50 side by side....

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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby bort » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:37 pm

Nice!

That RM50 is beautiful. Can only imagine how it plays. Any thoughts about how the two tubas are similar and different?

I should track down an RM50 and re-create that photo? :tuba:
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby bloke » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:48 pm

A carefully-selected 5-rotor RM 5/4 C tuba (equipped with #2 slide trigger) is the easiest-to-play-in-tune of all of the (defacto) 6/4-size C tubas I've ever encountered. I'm not, however, stating that it is the least work to play overall.

Notice the RM 5/4 bell flare taper...less (actually: no) "pancake"...more cubic inches within...different sound characteristic...
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby highsierra » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:08 pm

The Rudy is not easy to play on first encounter but if you spend some time to learn what she likes you will be extremely satisfied. Yes, Bloke is right, the intonation is excellent on the 5/4 Rudy and the sound of this Red Brass version is really amazing....The sound of the Rudy is more colorful, muscular and direct than the PT7...I guess you could say that this is the classic German vs American sound debate that we have been discussing over the years...
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby kathott » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:27 pm

I had a Rudy 5/4 CC for three years - best playing tuba I’ve ever owned. Too bad I couldn’t hold it: tuba stands, drum thrones, chairs, piano benches, posture compromises. Was just too wide in the bow to relax with.....
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby bort » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:46 pm

That's funny, I was just going to say that both tubas, for how large they are, are actually quite comfortable to me.

And Russ, thanks for the comparisons. Next to that Rudy, anything else will sound "less Germanic." I don't think the PT7 sounds as American as a York or Holton 345, but what the hell do I know. :)
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby bloke » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:31 pm

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Most of the York-alikes sound like C versions of these, do they not?

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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby highsierra » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:44 pm

I had a Rudy 5/4 CC for three years - best playing tuba I’ve ever owned. Too bad I couldn’t hold it: tuba stands, drum thrones, chairs, piano benches, posture compromises. Was just too wide in the bow to relax with.....


This Red Brass RM50 was your tuba I believe!! It has had an interesting history....
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby kathott » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:20 am

OMG, is that my old RM 5/4 ? It must have come via MT, fine player. I miss it: incredible dynamic range and colour. Glad to see it in service. I’m “making do” with a Mirafone 188
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby highsierra » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:26 pm

Yes, via M.T. in Toronto...love this tuba! Huge, but very easy to play, great intonation and sound....and, I can hold it!
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby Snothead » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:14 pm

Bloke what is the silver hybrid raincatcher you posted? It appears to be in a museum.
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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby bloke » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:48 pm

Snothead wrote:Bloke what is the silver hybrid raincatcher you posted? It appears to be in a museum.


I'm fairly sure it's a Conn jumbo (7/4 size ...possibly?? .768" bore) ...Didn't two or three of the Sousa bandsmen play these?
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Rudolf Meinl 5/4 CC-Tuba

Postby Robert Tucci » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:11 am

Dear Russ and friends,

In May 1971 and after bringing Arnold Jacobs and Rudolf Meinl together in Vienna, Rudy and one of his craftsman worked out the first 5/4 CC at his shop in Diespeck. Rudy was just thirty-two at the time, already a master tuba maker. The first instrument was finished in record time; I took this to London, to show to John Fletcher. Compliments to Rudy: the intonation of the instrument was excellent. Rudolf Meinl and I remain good friends to this day.

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Re: PT7 & RM50 Photo

Postby highsierra » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Thanks for that insight Mr. Tucci!
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