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My new PT6

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:07 pm
by bort
Earlier this week, I received my new tuba, which is a 1993 B&S PT6. I wanted to share a few thought and details about this tuba... knowing that there are a LOT of PT6's out there, and they have a clear reputation already established. So, nothing groundbreaking here, I'm sure.

The PT6 was actually not a model that had considered as an option; I've always been a fan, but the price was always out of reach, bad timing, or some combination of both. This time I got lucky! Which is great, because I liked so much about the PT7 already, just wanted rotary valves instead.

What's unique about my tuba?
As an earlier PT6, this one has handmade bottom and top bows. I also understand that the valve casings are slightly larger, and the end of the leadpipe is slightly larger as well. I haven't measured anything myself yet.

Initial reactions and thoughts
* This is a GREAT example of a PT6. I've owned, tried, and played a LOT of tubas over the years, but I am blown away by this PT6.
* Response is very quick; such an easy tuba to pick up and play across the entire range.
* Low register is easy and very open for a rotary tuba.
* Tone is clear and focused, but with a good deal of presence. It's flexible, and easy to make it sound the way I want it to sound.
* Very easy to play soft or loud. And when I want it to be loud, it can sound huge and hard to break up the sound.
* Intonation is point and shoot, zero problem notes.
* Fifth valve slide extension gives the choice between flat whole step and 23 combo. I learned how to play CC with the 23 combo, so it's good to have that again! Pedal range is really easy and intuitive for me with this setup. Low D as 345 jumps from the tuba. Pedal C with 12345 is always good for a softer and smoother pedal CC option.
* 2nd valve kicker added by previous owner. Seems useful for the low register; I don't know the tuba well enough yet to know how necessary it is, but it is a nice option. I

What's funny is that when I first saw it, I though "this looks small compared to the PT7." I never really felt like the PT7 was an enormous tuba, but it IS a 6/4 tuba and it IS larger than a PT6. The bell and bottom bow of the PT6 are smaller, and the PT7 is also overall just a wider tuba.

I LOVED the sound of the PT7, it was just too hard on my hands to play the piston valves (they are spread too far apart, and my hand was often in pain just from playing the tuba). Playing the PT6, I noticed right away that the sound is NOT as large or "wide" as the PT7, but still, the two tubas are more similar than they are different. Definitely the same B&S sound and tone, but the size and valve differences get that "voice" out a bit differently. Hope that makes sense. Another way to say it, I sound like myself on both tubas, with a few differences based on the equipment.

Bad things? Nah, not right now. I'll let anything bad surface itself after the honeymoon period is over.

Knock on wood, I think (hope!) my tuba quest is over, and that I've found the large rotary CC tuba that I've been looking for. Go figure, it's a very popular and very common model of tuba, that has existed all along. :)

Pics to come!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:13 pm
by bort
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Re: My new PT6

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:08 pm
by Billy M.
Anyone wanna take bets when this one goes up for sale?

Anyone?

Just joshin' ya, Bort. Congrats on the new axe. Looks like it's a fine instrument. Hope my search is just as fruitful.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:34 am
by GC
Lovely instrument. Glad you've found a winner.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:24 am
by bort
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Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:55 am
by iiipopes
It is times like these we need a "Like" button on the reply options. Great tuba!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:09 pm
by arpthark
Very nice.

The second valve slide trigger might come in handy. I owned a PT-6 and I constantly kick myself for selling it. The only thing I would've added is a second valve trigger like yours, because there was a pitch discrepancy (really the only one on the horn) between Ab and Eb. Eb rode a bit high. With the trigger, you should be all set.

Mine was a silverplate '96 and not handmade AFAIK. I sold it to Doug Black. Great tubas!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:00 pm
by bort
The rotary Neptune comes with a stock 2nd valve trigger, which I always found useful (maybe even necessary?). This is the same kind of configuration, just seems like I don't need it as much. Especially for the low register, with the 23 fifth valve things seem to line up quite well already.

Thanks for all the positive vibes. It's a wonderful tuba, no question why they are so popular. Again, kind of funny that the model I've ended up liking so much has existed in plain view the whole time. :tuba:

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:00 pm
by bort
Thanks guys, and indeed, this meets my checklist requirements in grand fashion.

Being handmade seems to impart better response, smoother tone, and lighter overall weight. It's a great tuba.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:24 pm
by Three Valves
HAR!!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:31 pm
by bort
bloke wrote:
bort wrote:Being handmade seems to impart better response, smoother tone, and lighter overall weight. It's a great tuba.
nope...It's the fact that there's no stainless steel in it.
HA!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:31 pm
by sugawi
Just recently I entered CC tuba world myself and enjoy learning what’s out there. This one looks awesome and sounds like you found your perfect match.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:50 pm
by Patrase
That's a nice looking tuba! I always thought the PT6 rotary was one of the best looking tuba's out there. I played on a rotary Neptune once - much preferred the more focused tone out of the PT6. But I am a bit biased - I owned a 1995 PT6 model for about 20 years. Yours seems better than mine - my Db in the middle of the stave was very flat, but alternate fingering fixed it. If you do keep it and want to modify it later check this http://www.gchorns.com/blog" target="_blank

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:20 am
by bort
I've seen that modification before... looks interesting, and I do seem to like how the leadpipe of the Neptune enters through the top of the valve stack, instead of the side. But for me, I'm fine with the 5th valve as is... I love the long slide option, and that new slide for the fifth seems to be very exposed to dents. Does look like a cool idea, though!

I'll have to post a photo of the fifth valve slide. It's huge... but again, I learned CC with the long fifth valve, and it works well for me and those deep old habits.

Finding an ideal tuba has been an ongoing search for a long time. I know there isn't a perfect tuba out there, but this is about as close as I can or will ever get. That's pretty exciting.

I'm grateful for the help of so many people here as I researched and considered options. Also grateful for those who have been helping me get to the point of finding a long term tuba, to buy, keep, and move forward with. It's not only about finding a tuba that works well right away, but also to build a long term tuba/player familiarity. Some people end up owning the same horn for 20, 30, 40+ years, and thats pretty awesome. Here's hoping that the PT6 and I will have many years together!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:38 am
by Lamminator
Enjoy the new addition to the family. Looks great.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:24 pm
by Douglas
arpthark wrote:Very nice.

The second valve slide trigger might come in handy. I owned a PT-6 and I constantly kick myself for selling it. The only thing I would've added is a second valve trigger like yours, because there was a pitch discrepancy (really the only one on the horn) between Ab and Eb. Eb rode a bit high. With the trigger, you should be all set.

Mine was a silverplate '96 and not handmade AFAIK. I sold it to Doug Black. Great tubas!
It is a pretty good tuba! The only real issue I have is that the 5th valve paddle is a bit of a stretch. How would one know if it was handmade? I've thought about adding the 2nd valve trigger too.

DB

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:38 pm
by bort
Douglas wrote:
arpthark wrote:Very nice.

The second valve slide trigger might come in handy. I owned a PT-6 and I constantly kick myself for selling it. The only thing I would've added is a second valve trigger like yours, because there was a pitch discrepancy (really the only one on the horn) between Ab and Eb. Eb rode a bit high. With the trigger, you should be all set.

Mine was a silverplate '96 and not handmade AFAIK. I sold it to Doug Black. Great tubas!
It is a pretty good tuba! The only real issue I have is that the 5th valve paddle is a bit of a stretch. How would one know if it was handmade? I've thought about adding the 2nd valve trigger too.

DB
How to tell if its handmade:
1) you'll see the hammer marks inside (or out, after repairs) on the bottom and top bow, etc
2) lighter than normal PT6, by about 800g
3) Bob Tucci says so :wink:

I think even the most regular off the shelf PT6 is also a very nice tuba!

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 2:30 pm
by bort
Instant Tuba Weight Loss!

Today removed the 2nd valve kicker (which I never used anyway) and the flat whole step fifth valve. Was shocked by the weight difference:
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There are a few braces for the 2nd valve kicker too... so if I *really* don't miss it, I'll have those removed as well. Overall, nearly a full pound. :shock:

As for the 5th valve, I've spent a lot of time with both configurations. I learned on the long 5th valve, so that comes naturally to me. But the flat whole step is perhaps a bit more familiar at this point, and seems to respond better as well. Plus using 235 for Db and Gb (and 45 for F) are hard habits to break.

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:05 am
by toobagrowl
Great that you really like your PT-6. I think some ppl like the rotor version because it has a little more textured sound compared to the piston version. Either way, it's a nice tuba model :tuba: Cool that you know more about your tuba, even who made it. Are you going to keep your trigger mechanism or sell it :?:

Re: My new PT6

Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 12:46 am
by bort
Thanks! Yes, its easy to understand why the PT6 is so popular. I always knew this, just never thiught I'd end up getting to own one. Things just worked out this time!

The 2v kicker will stay with the horn. Who knows, I may end up wanting it back on there again, its only been off for a few hours. :)

However, removing it and changing the 5v slide configuration really did shed a considerable amount of weight. I think from 23 lbs to 22 lbs. Could all be in my head, but I think it feels lighter and responds/resonated better now too. More lively...?