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Postby rebus » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:30 am

I bounced on this ad from an Italian site: https://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_ ... 06544.html

At that price I expected I quite cheap tuba but the picture shows the Miraphone logo. The ad says it has no problems, but that sounds strange.

Do you think it may be worth to go see it? Thanks
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Dan Schultz » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:41 pm

There is a Miraphone logo on the bell but I don't think the body is a Miraphone.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:30 pm

it "might" be very old miraphone, but the logo on the bell looks to be fairly modern,and doesn't match the rest of the horn at all. I'm with dan, it's a miraphone bell on something other than a miraphone.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby windshieldbug » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:59 pm

I don’t think that I’ve ever seen clockspring rotaries on a Miraphone...
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:02 am

Here's one, and the style of the engraving looks a lot like the one posted at the start of the thread, so maybe it is a really really old Miraphone.

I've heard that miraphone actually is the original spelling and not "mirafone" like I remember from when I was a kid.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Snake Charmer » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:36 am

It looks like an old Miraphone, I guess from the 70s. You can find those quite often here in Germany. The engraving didn't change for decades, so it not really a help for getting a year of manufacturing. The Mirafone name was used for export instruments, domestic version were named Miraphone, but I don't know if they still do this. Deusser in Wuerzburg is a well established dealer, which at some times also sold stencil instruments under his own name, so the suffix "Instr Bau" (= instrument maker)
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby rebus » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:57 am

Thanks for the opinions! So maybe it may worth a try for that price? The place is not so far from where I live, I'd have a chance to try it.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:46 am

Yeah, 500 isn't much, so it's worth a try. As long as you don't think you'll need a 4th valve
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby windshieldbug » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:44 am

Don't EVER say "ever"... :oops:
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby tofu » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:09 pm

Snake Charmer wrote:It looks like an old Miraphone, I guess from the 70s. You can find those quite often here in Germany. The engraving didn't change for decades, so it not really a help for getting a year of manufacturing. The Mirafone name was used for export instruments, domestic version were named Miraphone, but I don't know if they still do this. Deusser in Wuerzburg is a well established dealer, which at some times also sold stencil instruments under his own name, so the suffix "Instr Bau" (= instrument maker)
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My 185 & 186 are from '69 and don't have clockspring rotaries - so I'd be surprised if this is from the 1970's - I've never seen these on any Miraphone/Mirafone. I would think if it is a real Miraphone regular production horn it would likely be early - like early '50's - but I'm no expert on Miraphone history. It's also possible that the clocksprings could have been a custom special order for a customer.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Donn » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:07 pm

In the 9 Horn-u-copia Miraphone tuba pictures, 2 of the 6 rotary valve sets are clocksprings, unfortunately without dates.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby kingrob76 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:32 pm

I don't believe that bell came with that body originally - I suspect someone put it on much later in the life of both instruments.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Snake Charmer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:22 am

In Germany the clocksprings were popular for amateur instruments up to late 70s, and most of them still in the old-fashioned (but good-working) Bohland&Fuchs style. And often with only three valves. Actually there are at least ten Miraphones of this type up for sale, so I think the Italian one is original.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby iiipopes » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:28 am

Mark Finley wrote:I've heard that miraphone actually is the original spelling and not "mirafone" like I remember from when I was a kid.

The reason for the "Mirafone" spelling for the USA market is shrouded in '70's marketing and trademark issues, as discussed in other threads.
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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby FreeBandMusic » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:00 pm

I have a Mirafone 186 BBb, serial below 2000; a list puts the date at 1952.

My horn has S-type linkage, one long of coil of springs ( not clock type ).

The style of the braces, the S-links, valve caps, and the mountain-and-sunrise logo are identical to
mine. For that matter, my friend's 1970's 186 is also almost identical. Except the linkage and a bit more nickel, brand new ones haven't changed much.

My guess is its a real Mira, just a little older than mine, or maybe some of them came with clock-spring options.

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Re: Doubts about an ad

Postby Stryk » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:31 pm

That's probably about right for a 3 valve Miraphone - you can get the 4 valve for $1500. You would likely pay close to another 500 to have it shipped from Italy.
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