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I like the Trumpet version because it has all the original material and didn't leave out things the editors assumed would be too difficult to do on Trombone, or Tuba. It is a great brain exercise trying to do it on all the various horns, and one I admit I struggle with at times. I'm so used to Treble Clef being played on Euphonium with Bb Trumpet fingerings that playing Treble clef in concert pitch is a Transposition exercise for me. I should probably do it more often to become proficient at it.

I'd love a tuba version in treble Bb. Yeah yeah I get transposing and just take it down an octave. I'm pretty fluent at this point, but playing in a brass band I need to practice reading notes in the Bb tuba part range.

As EEb is the standard this side of the pond, I've always used the original in brass band style

I have what I think is a pretty simple explanation of why I ended up with the bass-clef-tuba versions of almost all of the materials you mentioned...

I didn't know any better.

I was literally ignorant.

As a young player, I was just told "get the Kopprasch Etude Book" or "get the Bordogni book" so I (or my parents, early on) went forth and bought the tuba versions of those items, because...well...I was playing the tuba after all. Much of this was before widespread online sheet music sales / Amazon/ etc., so buying music literally meant going to the brick-and-mortar store and filling out an order blank. I didn't even know there were other versions of this material at the time (we never saw a catalog of options) - we just carefully wrote in the title we needed on the form, checked the "tuba" box on the instrumentation list, and $20 and couple of weeks later, got a call to come pick up our books.

I didn't really think at all about using trumpet/trombone/horn versions of any of that and never had a teacher even mention that until I was in College. However, by the time I was in College I already owned most of what was needed as the bass-clef-tuba version. Some items I did replace or supplement along the way with the treble-clef-trumpet version or original trombone versions, etc. I just didn't have anyone teach me about this stuff early enough to steer me towards anything but tuba music.

Voisi1ev wrote:I'd love a tuba version in treble Bb. Yeah yeah I get transposing and just take it down an octave. I'm pretty fluent at this point, but playing in a brass band I need to practice reading notes in the Bb tuba part range.

I'm not sure I understand this. The original trumpet version in Bb would be identical to a treble clef version for Bb tuba. You're reading the same pitches with the same fingerings that you use in treble clef brass band music.

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Voisi1ev wrote:I'd love a tuba version in treble Bb. Yeah yeah I get transposing and just take it down an octave. I'm pretty fluent at this point, but playing in a brass band I need to practice reading notes in the Bb tuba part range.

I'm not sure I understand this. The original trumpet version in Bb would be identical to a treble clef version for Bb tuba. You're reading the same pitches with the same fingerings that you use in treble clef brass band music.

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Bb bass treble brass band parts will go down to like a written 4th ledger under the staff F pretty regularly and lower. The trumpet Arban isn't written there. So like I literally need to practice reading those notes written 4 ledgers and lower rather than transposing the octave. I've Finaled some stuff. But a method written that low would save some time.

That said, I've been brass banding again for about 3-years now, not as big of an issue as it was when I started.

When I took up tuba, my teacher had me get the trombone Arban's and thus practice double-bass transposition.
Lots of used copies available cheap and came in handy later on...

Two things helped me in this - 1) piano lessons since I was 6, and 2) hymnals.
Re: 1) Taught me that a C was a C, anywhere. We could slide UP the piano bench or DOWN the piano bench, and play the music in a different octave without having to re-think the keyboard. We could have 2 or 3 of us kids playing together (chop sticks, Heart and Soul, hymns, etc.), switch places on the bench, and play the same sheet music in multiple octaves.
Re: 2) Dad was the pastor in a small country church, a talented guitar and vocal musician, and we had a lot of music in our little church. As a youngster I often played piano for special music or offertory; when I started on trombone in 5th grade it was only natural to continue to do so. I never had an issue READING treble cleff, PLAYING in bass cleff. When I took up tuba in 7th grade, I just kept doing the same things, just another octave lower. Then a year or two later dad bought a beat-up old trumpet, asked me if I could play it, I thought - "of course." I just used tuba fingerings in the correct octave and everything worked out fine. When a couple of trumpet playing friends wanted to play together, I realized that I was one step (or one fingering) off from what they were doing, and the correction was a no brainer.
I still am astounded when I play in church with a couple of grown-up trombone players who can't read treble clef down an octave, but I realize that they have a different background.

Always used the trumpet version because I thought on CC tuba I'd be using the same fingering patterns as the trumpet and would make the best use of the book. Also, the trombone bass clef book lacked a lot of material found in the trumpet version. At least, that was my logic.

Voisi1ev wrote: Bb bass treble brass band parts will go down to like a written 4th ledger under the staff F pretty regularly and lower. The trumpet Arban isn't written there. So like I literally need to practice reading those notes written 4 ledgers and lower rather than transposing the octave. I've Finaled some stuff. But a method written that low would save some time.

OK, now I understand. Suggest you get a copy of Snedecor's Low Etudes, which has plenty of ledger lines.

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I get the benefits of reading the trumpet book, but Doc Young and Wes Jacobs have some really good information in the tuba book that is worth consuming by players of all levels of aptitude.

I dunno. Knock yourself out and buy both.

ckalaher1 wrote:I get the benefits of reading the trumpet book, but Doc Young and Wes Jacobs have some really good information in the tuba book that is worth consuming by players of all levels of aptitude.

I dunno. Knock yourself out and buy both.

I agree I have multiple copies myself, including the Trumpet, Trombone, and Young and Jacobs Tuba versions.

Reading treble clef opens up the vast library of trumpet and horn literature AND a greatly reduced prices than a new "tuba version" cost. I'm not sure I could read a bass clef Arban book with facility, I've been playing treble clef since 1971.

When you read the trumpet part, say a C, the trumpet would play a concert Bb. On tuba, do you play it as a concert C or Bb?