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So my local store got a 651 in. They had no info on it and I wasnt familiar with it but I went by to give it a toot. It was a TA 3+1 set up which is probably why I wasnt familiar with it. Needless to say the ergonomics were terrible. I had to angle the horn at almost a 45 degree angle to get the mouthpiece to my face. Sound wise it wasnt a bad horn however I couldn't deal with the playing position. On the positive side it has opened up the possibility of TA Eb. I know of both a Miraphone 7000 and Kanstul 66T that are for sale. Not ruling out my first pick of a Willson 3400 or Besson 984 but my budget may not be able to pull these off... The local store is going to get an Eastman 851 in for me demo.. So we shall see... Trying not to get rid of my Miraphone BBb and going to just one horn.

JJ