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Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:49 pm
by Matt G
Thank you, MTV, for your influence on 1990s camera work.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:35 am
by TubaBeage
..and we get to sit down.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:16 am
by AndyCat
Wow that's a blast from the past!

(And obviously, I completely agree with bloke)

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:21 am
by AndyCat
If you want something more recent, but equally as valid, this is our performance from last year's British Open:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBOU-_R55s

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:37 pm
by Ace
AndyCat wrote:If you want something more recent, but equally as valid, this is our performance from last year's British Open:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBOU-_R55s
Wow! What a great ensemble. Nice work!

Ace

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:13 pm
by GC
Why would it matter? All tubas sound just alike anyway.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:33 pm
by roughrider
bloke wrote:
AndyCat wrote:If you want something more recent, but equally as valid, this is our performance from last year's British Open:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBOU-_R55s
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A fantastic performance! Well Done!

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:40 pm
by WessCollette
GC wrote:Why would it matter? All tubas sound just alike anyway.
Says the guy with an appropriate instrument. I would like to try yours at some point when this is over.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:49 pm
by GC
WessCollette wrote:
GC wrote:Why would it matter? All tubas sound just alike anyway.
Says the guy with an appropriate instrument. I would like to try yours at some point when this is over.
No sweat. I don't see it happening for a while, though. I need to try your Mack CC, too.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:57 am
by jperry1466
AndyCat wrote:If you want something more recent, but equally as valid, this is our performance from last year's British Open:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SBOU-_R55s
How wonderful is that?

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:36 am
by olaness1
If only they could design some compensated Bb's that didn't require you to be a certain size (decidedly taller and with longer arms than me) to play effectively, and that didn't leave you in serious pain from a contest run-up.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:10 am
by GC
Wessex makes a 5/4 compensating tuba that is wrapped to be not too much bigger than a 3+1 Eb bass (the Excelsior?). It was gone from their website for a couple of days but it's back now; they're having a sale currently on their 2018 stock. Wyvern has a link to it further down the page.

They also currently have a huge compensator called the Leviathan https://wessex-tubas.com/collections/bb ... 81h-tb691h. It's an easy reach to the 4th valve because of its unusual location. The more expensive hand-hammered version is light for a tuba this huge. Wessex recommends a stand for playing this beast.

I've been told that the Packer JP 378 and 278 3+1 compensating BBb's are better ergonomically and more comfortable to play than most other horns of their type. Never been able to try one, though.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:24 am
by olaness1
I know about those. Still fail to see one that doesn't qualify as an ergonomic disaster zone though.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:42 am
by Heavy_Metal
Both excellent performances!

And compensators are ergonomic nightmares for me too- I have a lot of trouble reaching those fourth valves.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:41 pm
by marccromme
Why? Probably only tradition and conformity. Unfortunately, TA 3+1 compensators in BB are totally an ergonomic nightmare, being only 170 cm height and thus having shorter arms than others. I can handle a top action compensator EB, but a 5 valve front action EB gives me more breathing freedom. So, the day I want to buy my own BB tuba for brass band use, it will be a 5 valve 5/4, probably MW, miraphone wessex or willson. No matter what tradition dictates.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:25 pm
by GC
Regarding conformity, does anyone know of brass bands that use all Besson or Yamaha Neo instruments? I can suppose that all-Besson bands would not be uncommon in Britain. Yamaha less so because they're a recent development.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:34 am
by AndyCat
There are bands that do both. We have 3 Yams and 1 Besson (EEb)

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:17 am
by tbonesullivan
How often are the Willson and Miraphone offerings for 3+1 compensating horns seen? They are the only other brands I can think of off hand that make them currently.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:31 am
by Steve Marcus
tbonesullivan wrote:How often are the Willson and Miraphone offerings for 3+1 compensating horns seen? They are the only other brands I can think of off hand that make them currently.
Wessex has had its 5/4 3+1 compensating Eb "Champion" and 3+1 compensating 5/4 BBb "Exselsior" available for some time.

The new 6/4 3+1 compensating BBb Leviathan will soon be joined by a new 6/4 compensating 3+1 Eb bass.

Re: Why brass bands should feature compensating BB/Eb tubas

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:34 am
by tbonesullivan
AHH!! I forgot completely about Wessex. They even have a British Style F tuba coming out. I keep seeing a used Bombino down at Baltimore Brass that is always tempting me, but part of me is really waiting for a Yamaha YEB-631, so I'll have the full set.