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York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:38 am
by tobysima`
Do any solid 4/4 or 5/4 York style CC tubas exist? Also, what about York style F tubas? Thanks!
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:04 pm
by tobysima`
russiantuba wrote:There was a factory 4/4 CC built by york. Jim Akins recreated the model of his horn when Kalison was in business, making 11 or so of the "Akins Leblanc" model. The owners will not sell those horns.
The PT 606P is loosely based on a 4/4 CC york model.
There are some people with F tubas cut down (Rusk models) from Eb tubas based on this style.
Thank you! I'll take a look at the PT 606P!
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:30 pm
by Chazg
You might check out the Mack Brass ZO "Little" Thunderbird.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:39 pm
by bort
The PT-606 is 100% based on a York 4/4 CC tuba, which was previously owned by Bob Tucci. I can provide the history lesson on that, if needed... but yes, that's a really strong option. I owned one for a while, an excellent tuba.
For a 5/4 York style tuba, check out the old Marzan tubas. I know, it's not exactly a York tuba, but I do think it's York-style. They can be very nice tubas, and often don't cost a whole lot.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:20 pm
by tobysima`
bort wrote:The PT-606 is 100% based on a York 4/4 CC tuba, which was previously owned by Bob Tucci. I can provide the history lesson on that, if needed... but yes, that's a really strong option. I owned one for a while, an excellent tuba.
For a 5/4 York style tuba, check out the old Marzan tubas. I know, it's not exactly a York tuba, but I do think it's York-style. They can be very nice tubas, and often don't cost a whole lot.
I'm not looking for an exact replica of a York, I just want something that falls into the York style category and isn't too big. I was looking at the Eastman 632 and 832, but idk any differences between them.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:36 pm
by timayer
My Gnagey 4/4 is certainly on the York side of York vs. Kaiser.
It is also very in tune (one of my projects has been to play through Snedecor etudes without pulling slides while also being in tune, and miraculously it's possible!). Depending on the mouthpiece you throw in it can do anything from solos to big orchestral works.
There is one available at Baltimore Brass that I would take a serious look at. Being 4 valves, it would require some slide pulling in the low register, but that is now a time honored tradition on most tubas.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:49 pm
by tobysima`
timayer wrote:My Gnagey 4/4 is certainly on the York side of York vs. Kaiser.
It is also very in tune (one of my projects has been to play through Snedecor etudes without pulling slides while also being in tune, and miraculously it's possible!). Depending on the mouthpiece you throw in it can do anything from solos to big orchestral works.
There is one available at Baltimore Brass that I would take a serious look at. Being 4 valves, it would require some slide pulling in the low register, but that is now a time honored tradition on most tubas.
It looks solid, sadly it's a decent bit put of budget for me.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:19 pm
by Matt G
Eastman 632/832.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:27 pm
by tobysima`
Matt G wrote:Eastman 632/832.
Is there any difference between the two models?
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:23 pm
by bort
The difference is 200.
What is your budget?
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:32 pm
by Kevbach25
The 632 is what Conn Selmer should have put out for it's Conn 5xJ series tubas, but didn't. It's based on the 534 BBb, itself copying the current King 2341.
The 832, as I understand it, is the same bugle as the 632, but with the larger York style valve set from the 836 6/4.
Isn't the 832 quite a bit more expensive than the 632?
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:36 pm
by tobysima`
bort wrote:The difference is 200.
What is your budget?
About $3,000
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:37 pm
by tobysima`
Kevbach25 wrote:The 632 is what Conn Selmer should have put out for it's Conn 5xJ series tubas, but didn't. It's based on the 534 BBb, itself copying the current King 2341.
The 832, as I understand it, is the same bugle as the 632, but with the larger York style valve set from the 836 6/4.
Isn't the 832 quite a bit more expensive than the 632?
Which one plays better?
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:41 pm
by bort
You're not going to find an Eastman in the $3,000 range...
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:48 pm
by tobysima`
bort wrote:You're not going to find an Eastman in the $3,000 range...
I'm just looking for a college horn as of now. I'm just interested in york style horns.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:52 pm
by tobysima`
bort wrote:You're not going to find an Eastman in the $3,000 range...
Eventually I'll upgrade to an Eastman CC.
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:07 pm
by bort
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:15 pm
by tobysima`
I was told by my teacher to get 5 valves, but it's a very nice horn
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:12 pm
by Rick Denney
Before one can ask whether any solid reproductions exist, it's helpful to see some originals.
https://www.rickdenney.com/york.htm
One example from that page:
Here's another:
As you can see, the originals had diagonally arranged valves, while the modern instruments of this configuration are arranged up and down, like the York 6/4 instrument. (Of course, they all use the same valveset.)
For $3000, you need to find a used Eastman, and probably one that shows some experience. That's not really enough for a new or pristine modern 5-valve C, even one made in Asia, and even if you abandon that design for something more common (like a 4/4 rotary).
Rick "who owned a York Master--a German-made emulation in Bb made after the Grand Rapids plant stopped making professional instruments" Denney
Re: York Style Tubas
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:33 pm
by tobysima`
Rick Denney wrote:Before one can ask whether any solid reproductions exist, it's helpful to see some originals.
https://www.rickdenney.com/york.htm
One example from that page:
How faithful are the reproductions to the originals? And are there any "York-Style" tubas in F?
Here's another:
As you can see, the originals had diagonally arranged valves, while the modern instruments of this configuration are arranged up and down, like the York 6/4 instrument. (Of course, they all use the same valveset.)
For $3000, you need to find a used Eastman, and probably one that shows some experience. That's not really enough for a new or pristine modern 5-valve C, even one made in Asia, and even if you abandon that design for something more common (like a 4/4 rotary).
Rick "who owned a York Master--a German-made emulation in Bb made after the Grand Rapids plant stopped making professional instruments" Denney