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I have heard from a couple sources - including one in Eastman - that the bell of the 836 was being reworked, and they were basically putting a Kanstul bell on the 836 body. The person from Eastman I spoke with back in January said that this was about a year out from production, but that was obviously before the virus hit, and has obviously changed. Does anyone have any information on this new bell and a possible release date?

By Kanstul bell, do you mean bronze instead of brass?

Hopefully these claims aren’t true as the “Kanstul bell” is of meh quality.

This reminds me of those car magazines: "If the manufacturer would only give us another 100 horse power over the existing 900 horse power and come out with yet even wider tires to make the road even more bone jarring tough, they could cut the 0-60 mph time down from 2.4 seconds to only 2.35 seconds. Then, EVERYONE would want to buy this car."

It's amazing how many players that have never seen the inside of a horn think they know all about how to design and build an instrument.

Matt Walters wrote:This reminds me of those car magazines: "If the manufacturer would only give us another 100 horse power over the existing 900 horse power and come out with yet even wider tires to make the road even more bone jarring tough, they could cut the 0-60 mph time down from 2.4 seconds to only 2.35 seconds. Then, EVERYONE would want to buy this car."

It's amazing how many players that have never seen the inside of a horn think they know all about how to design and build an instrument.

Its also Amazing how many repair techs think they know everything about tubas and build quality as-well.

Manbrass wrote:

Matt Walters wrote:This reminds me of those car magazines: "If the manufacturer would only give us another 100 horse power over the existing 900 horse power and come out with yet even wider tires to make the road even more bone jarring tough, they could cut the 0-60 mph time down from 2.4 seconds to only 2.35 seconds. Then, EVERYONE would want to buy this car."

It's amazing how many players that have never seen the inside of a horn think they know all about how to design and build an instrument.

Its also Amazing how many repair techs think they know everything about tubas and build quality as-well.

Because he does.

groth wrote:

Manbrass wrote:

Matt Walters wrote:This reminds me of those car magazines: "If the manufacturer would only give us another 100 horse power over the existing 900 horse power and come out with yet even wider tires to make the road even more bone jarring tough, they could cut the 0-60 mph time down from 2.4 seconds to only 2.35 seconds. Then, EVERYONE would want to buy this car."

It's amazing how many players that have never seen the inside of a horn think they know all about how to design and build an instrument.

Its also Amazing how many repair techs think they know everything about tubas and build quality as-well.

Because he does.

Differing opinions and banter are fine but let's keep this discussion within civility. I don't think it's strayed too far yet, but I think it is getting close.

I trust 100% whatever Matt says... his master work speaks for itself...
Mark Jones

What exactly is the "Kanstul bell"? Does that means a bell based on that company's attempt at replicating the bell and the alloys used in the legendary York Tubas?

brendanige wrote:Differing opinions and banter are fine but let's keep this discussion within civility. I don't think it's strayed too far yet, but I think it is getting close.

You’ve got one troll that’s averaging 5 posts a year throwing shade at one of the best repair people in the industry and a gentleman that has been involved with the design of some excellent tubas.

It’s obviously an attempt to be inflammatory.

100% support of Matt Walters comments. Quality work, incredibly knowledgeable and has more expertise than just about anyone when it comes to tuba build and construction. To call him a "repair tech" is ignoring his resume (which he probably won't flaunt online, but maybe should).

I like how someone who we call “prominent” in a certain industry can have free rein to say whatever they want, and then one someone flaunts an opinion people automatically assume specific people or a person is targeted. All I did was quote his comment with alittle humor thrown back. I never mentioned his name or anything like. To the posters above you’re defending something unnecessarily. I guess the lesson that should be learned here is that people shouldn’t just ASSUME things.

The fact that you used "prominent" in quotations means you have no idea who he is, and that proves how little you know

He wasn't given the name the tuba whisperer, he earned it

Manbrass wrote:I like how someone who we call “prominent” in a certain industry can have free rein to say whatever they want, and then one someone flaunts an opinion people automatically assume specific people or a person is targeted. All I did was quote his comment with alittle humor thrown back. I never mentioned his name or anything like. To the posters above you’re defending something unnecessarily. I guess the lesson that should be learned here is that people shouldn’t just ASSUME things.

There is a lack of context and clarity in your prior posts. Assumptions are made because there’s not much else to go on.

Matt G wrote:

Manbrass wrote:I like how someone who we call “prominent” in a certain industry can have free rein to say whatever they want, and then one someone flaunts an opinion people automatically assume specific people or a person is targeted. All I did was quote his comment with alittle humor thrown back. I never mentioned his name or anything like. To the posters above you’re defending something unnecessarily. I guess the lesson that should be learned here is that people shouldn’t just ASSUME things.

There is a lack of context and clarity in your prior posts. Assumptions are made because there’s not much else to go on.

Again and you just said it “Assuming”. You probably shouldn’t do that.

Manbrass wrote:

Matt G wrote:

Manbrass wrote:I like how someone who we call “prominent” in a certain industry can have free rein to say whatever they want, and then one someone flaunts an opinion people automatically assume specific people or a person is targeted. All I did was quote his comment with alittle humor thrown back. I never mentioned his name or anything like. To the posters above you’re defending something unnecessarily. I guess the lesson that should be learned here is that people shouldn’t just ASSUME things.

There is a lack of context and clarity in your prior posts. Assumptions are made because there’s not much else to go on.

Again and you just said it “Assuming”. You probably shouldn’t do that.

The reason the word was used was because you used it and I was putting that into context of why it might have happened.

It’s good to know that manufacturers are continually trying to improve upon good tubas.

Since this hasn’t been advertised by the manufacturer, there’s likely a lot more involved than a simple bell swap making everything better. Changing one thing impacts many other things and it is extremely difficult to get the right set of compromises to have a better end result. Then the manufacturer has to determine if it’s better enough to retool, manufacture, and market to make a profit.

Manbrass wrote:

Matt Walters wrote:This reminds me of those car magazines: "If the manufacturer would only give us another 100 horse power over the existing 900 horse power and come out with yet even wider tires to make the road even more bone jarring tough, they could cut the 0-60 mph time down from 2.4 seconds to only 2.35 seconds. Then, EVERYONE would want to buy this car."

It's amazing how many players that have never seen the inside of a horn think they know all about how to design and build an instrument.

Its also Amazing how many repair techs think they know everything about tubas and build quality as-well.

Your comment, Manbrass, doesn’t even earn the benefit of a doubt. you’re being a jerk and I think it would behoove you to step back and reread your commentary.

Hey Gang,
Thanks for all the kind words about me. Manbrass (whoever that is) brought up a point through a slightly pithy humor that none of us can believe we are the know all and end all of knowledge. I choose to take his comment as more good nature ribbing than ill will. If Manbrass (or anyone for that mater) really knew me well he would know that I always challenge myself against personal bias based on my limited perspective and that "Any day I learn something new, is a great day."
At least once a week at work I ask myself, "Are you sure that is still the best way to do that?" On world affairs, I ask my younger co-workers and friends for their perspective on things.

If we always look for the bad in others, we'll sadly find it. Today, I am going to look for the goodness.