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BBb tuba

PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:44 pm
by tclements
I am in serious consideration to add a BBb tuba to my tool kit. What is your experience with the newer offerings in terms of BBb tubas. Right now, the Prokofiev from Wessex seems to have bubbled to the top.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:10 pm
by Mark Finley
If was going to buy any tuba right now, it would be a miraphone hagen. They are Amazing.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:20 pm
by Three Valves
The Hagen seems to go for 10-14k depending on options.

The super-Wessex is almost 10k.

I played the cheapie Hagen at the Army conference and if money were no object...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:33 pm
by bloke
No one seems to agree with my large BBb tuba preferences, so...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:05 pm
by tmz1m
Hagen 496.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:58 am
by Dan Tuba
I play a MW 195P at work everyday. It's a great tuba. Intonation is very good. Very easy to play(response) from top to bottom. Projection is very good. Even though it's a large tuba, it can work well with both large and smaller ensembles. Only issue I have is that the large valves can hurt your hand after long rehearsals.

I have played a few of the newer large Chinese BBb tubas and heard them in performance by top professionals. I own one of them. Although quite good, they just don't compare to the MW 195P. Projection, clarity, color of sound just aren't as good in my opinion which probably isn't worth much. Good luck on your search. There are some great BBb tubas on the market. Miraphone Siegfried is amazing! Hagen 497 also very good, not as broad of sound.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:44 pm
by Mark
bloke wrote:No one seems to agree with my large BBb tuba preferences, so...


Siegfried?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:36 pm
by Three Valves
tmz1m wrote:Hagen 496.


Dillon just posted one on sale for about $8500

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:54 pm
by toobagrowl
Three Valves wrote:The super-Wessex is almost 10k.


:shock: Does that tuba already include the German-made Voigt rotor set for that price?

10k is the price of a brand-new, German-made M-W 25 BBb, which is a great tuba :tuba:

Mark wrote:
bloke wrote:No one seems to agree with my large BBb tuba preferences, so...


Siegfried?


I think bloke's fav large BBb tubas are the Miraphone Seigfried and M-W 195P :idea:

Re: BBb tuba

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:48 am
by Doc
IMHO, the Wessex Prokofiev (6/4 piston) and the Wessex Kaiser play circles around a MW 25. Very nice tubas. Both had great intonation and were easy to play. The Prokofiev resonated like no other. I had to chuckle when I played it and the horn made contact with me. Big, clear, beautiful sound. The Kaiser made the kaiser sound I have in my had. Very true to the Bohland & Fuchs tradition, but the intonation was exceptional, maybe the best intonation of their entire line on display. It played delicately, but it had that daisy cutter/Thor's hammer ability also. I would own the Kaiser in a NY minute. I found no build-quality issues or anything that looked or functioned poorly. Both are definitely worth a look.

I am definitely a fan of the Hagen 496. Easiest, most facile, in tune large BBb I have played. I definitely want one. Haven't seen a 497 to try yet.

I liked the Miraphone Siegfried. Without doubt, it's a fantastic instrument that is effortless to play, but the Hagen was more akin to the sound I have in my head. Depends on the sound you seek.

Fafner (piston or rotary) are tried and true. Worthy of trials.

I was completely surprised by the Eastman EBB562 (looks like GR 51). Easy response, very facile, great sound, nice valves, great intonation, superb low range, and nice price. If I were going to buy another BBb that was a really good instrument, and I did not need a handmade instrument ( or spend handmade level money), this is the tuba I'd likely have to put at the top of the list.

A new-style King 2341 is a really easy to play (from top to bottom) 4/4 piston BBb with fantastic intonation. I've heard some recordings of Ed Firth - It can definitely hold its own in an orchestra. I wish I had one to do dixieland/trad jazz and some other things.

If you could find an Alex 164 BBb that was in good condition and had good intonation, you might discover tuba nirvana.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:39 pm
by Doc
Frank Byrne has a Miraphone 1291 BBb here for sale. I owned one for a number of years, and I was a fool to sell it. An outstanding piston the flat Tuba. Very agile. Great intonation. Excellent piston valves. Incredible low range.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:48 pm
by toobagrowl
^ I will just say I disagree on much of what you wrote here. IMHO, ya know :tuba:

And I will also say that I've noticed some ppl are truly fascinated by brand-new flavor-of-the-month tubas, no matter what. Kinda reminds me of when we are little kids, fascinated by bright primary colors :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:46 pm
by Doc
toobagrowl wrote:^ I will just say I disagree on much of what you wrote here. IMHO, ya know :tuba:

And I will also say that I've noticed some ppl are truly fascinated by brand-new flavor-of-the-month tubas, no matter what. Kinda reminds me of when we are little kids, fascinated by bright primary colors :lol:


I like red, btw. Oh, look... a squirrel! :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:10 pm
by Liberty Mo
Doc wrote:Frank Byrne has a Miraphone 1291 BBb here for sale. I owned one for a number of years, and I was a fool to sell it. An outstanding piston the flat Tuba. Very agile. Great intonation. Excellent piston valves. Incredible low range.


I just picked this one up this morning from Frank who was a real gentleman. It is fantastically easy to play, with this particular example being a really good one.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:58 pm
by Doc
Liberty Mo wrote:
Doc wrote:Frank Byrne has a Miraphone 1291 BBb here for sale. I owned one for a number of years, and I was a fool to sell it. An outstanding piston the flat Tuba. Very agile. Great intonation. Excellent piston valves. Incredible low range.


I just picked this one up this morning from Frank who was a real gentleman. It is fantastically easy to play, with this particular example being a really good one.


8) 8) 8)

:mrgreen: :tuba:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:59 pm
by Doc
Liberty Mo wrote:
Doc wrote:Frank Byrne has a Miraphone 1291 BBb here for sale. I owned one for a number of years, and I was a fool to sell it. An outstanding piston the flat Tuba. Very agile. Great intonation. Excellent piston valves. Incredible low range.


I just picked this one up this morning from Frank who was a real gentleman. It is fantastically easy to play, with this particular example being a really good one.


I was listening to some recordings of some live stuff I did a few years ago. Darn, that 1291 sounded good!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:52 pm
by Three Valves
Doc wrote:I was completely surprised by the Eastman EBB562 (looks like GR 51). Easy response, very facile, great sound, nice valves, great intonation, superb low range, and nice price. If I were going to buy another BBb that was a really good instrument, and I did not need a handmade instrument ( or spend handmade level money), this is the tuba I'd likely have to put at the top of the list.


Did you get a chance to play the EBB632?? (The larger bore model)

I liked it even better and despite the bigger bore, it is more tightly wrapped and easier to hold.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:14 pm
by Doc
Three Valves wrote:
Doc wrote:I was completely surprised by the Eastman EBB562 (looks like GR 51). Easy response, very facile, great sound, nice valves, great intonation, superb low range, and nice price. If I were going to buy another BBb that was a really good instrument, and I did not need a handmade instrument ( or spend handmade level money), this is the tuba I'd likely have to put at the top of the list.


Did you get a chance to play the EBB632?? (The larger bore model)

I liked it even better and despite the bigger bore, it is more tightly wrapped and easier to hold.



I did not. Others were busy with it. If it plays anything like a 191, I’m sure I’d be a fan.