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Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:11 pm

I'm looking for an full-length upright bell for my King Pit tuba - which I will cut to fit on the collar. Anyone have a long bell that might work?
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby Dan Schultz » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:55 pm

Ideally... what is the diameter of the small end, the flare, and overall length need to be?
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:09 am

Dan Schultz wrote:Ideally... what is the diameter of the small end, the flare, and overall length need to be?


The collar is 5.25". If I understand Mike's comment right, the standard 1241/2341 bell is too short (those came in 19" and 22" in diameter), so I'm thinking 5/4 bell might be what I'm after. I don't have a King 1241/2341 bell to measure for length, but the recording bell for the Pit tuba is around 20-22" long from the collar.

I've got an old Symphony bell - one I bought from you - that I'm hoping will work, but as it's essentially the fixed-bell of the 1241, it probably will be too short.
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby Heliconer » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:30 am

Why not make a MTS extension to accompany the standard 1241 upright bell? Would probably cost a few hundred less.
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:41 am

Heliconer wrote:Why not make a MTS extension to accompany the standard 1241 upright bell? Would probably cost a few hundred less.


I'd rather not introduce more cylindrical tubing.

Besides, I still need to get an extension made as I play sharp on every instrument. I have to pull the MTS almost completely out to play in-tune.
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby TheGoyWonder » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:14 pm

5.25" would be near the base of most 4/4 bells, several inches up the stack. Most any should give you 20-24 in cut at that point.
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:43 pm

TheGoyWonder wrote:5.25" would be near the base of most 4/4 bells, several inches up the stack. Most any should give you 20-24 in cut at that point.


It would have to be longer than the standard 1241 King bell.

I'll be getting the King tuba I have in Michigan in a week or two.
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby TheGoyWonder » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:11 pm

well the standard 1241 bell is 6.25" tenon not 5.25". 5.25" would be somewhere in middle of bell stack. So if the bell is 12" and the 5.25" cut is 10" down the bell stack, that would be 22".
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:46 pm

TheGoyWonder wrote:well the standard 1241 bell is 6.25" tenon not 5.25". 5.25" would be somewhere in middle of bell stack. So if the bell is 12" and the 5.25" cut is 10" down the bell stack, that would be 22".


That's some good news, my bell might work!
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Re: Full-length Upright bell

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:11 am

I definitely took some measurement incorrectly, maybe I mistook a "6" for a "5"...

In any case, the bell arrived!

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As expected, it's sharp, somewhere around 25-40 cents sharp. I'll have a new main tuning slide extension made - thinking about a pigtail like you'd find in some of the older High/Low Pitch tubas. One side for the recording bell and the other side for the upright bell.

Here's the tuba it came from (King Monster BBb with a .687" bore)

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The benefit of this all, is that the braces are the same size as the Jumbo's, so I can finally properly brace the valve section!
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