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3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:53 pm
by marccromme
I find it takes some training time to get used to a 5V non-compensated tuba fingerings, plus the little pinky schlepping the 4th is always hard to do in combinations involving 4+2 and 4+3
Then there are 4+2 - giving better intonation, but same issue with the little finger.

Now I got a silly idea: combining a 3V Eb tuba, adding a 3V Bb tuba valve set, makes automatically a 6V tuba in 3+3 layout. No little finger needed! Standard layout on both hands.

The Bb 3rd valve probably needs some length adjustment to function as an Eb 4th valve (lowering a quart from Eb), but the Bb1st circuit makes a perfect-in-tune Eb 5th, and the Bb 2nd a perfect Eb 6th valve.

Fingering is the same as a 4+2 layout, just with the difference that the quart valve is at the 3rd in left hand.

Everything is done using standard components - and Eb horn and an additional Bb valve set giving increasing bore towards the bell for free.

Silly or ingenious idea ??

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:33 pm
by hrender
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Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:53 pm
by iiipopes
Comments:

1) the original Wieprecht-Moritz tubas had 3+2 or 3+3 fingerings, so there is nothing new in the world; and
2) The French C tuba functions in a similar manner.

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:13 pm
by The Big Ben
iiipopes wrote:Comments:

1) the original Wieprecht-Moritz tubas had 3+2 or 3+3 fingerings, so there is nothing new in the world; and
2) The French C tuba functions in a similar manner.


Wessex sells a French C tuba. here's a link to the page showing it:

https://wessex-tubas.com/collections/tu ... tuba-tc236

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:39 pm
by marccromme
Hal - what a nice looking tuba - what is it ?? What is the tuning of the left hand valves?

Both the Wessex and the original C-tuba have odd valve length - the idea oaf a 3+3 is to have the usual vlave length, just moving the right hand 4th til left hand 3rd. Anybody has don this?

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:58 pm
by hrender
It's a tuba designed by Dr. Fred Young based on a King Pit tuba. Click on the pic above to get to Dr. Young's LinkedIn page. His CV is here. This blog post by his son explains the layout of the valves. You can also search on the board for old posts about/by Dr. Young describing his horn and his mouthpiece design.

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:45 pm
by bloke
hrender wrote:It's a tuba designed by Dr. Fred Young based on a King Pit tuba. Click on the pic above to get to Dr. Young's LinkedIn page. His CV is here. This blog post by his son explains the layout of the valves. You can also search on the board for old posts about/by Dr. Young describing his horn and his mouthpiece design.


That's cool...but - were anyone else to play another's-design 6-valve tuba - any other person would soon discover some unintended serendipitous valve combinations - as well as some that were front-end planned which did not work out as well as originally hoped.

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:48 pm
by marccromme
Thanks for the explanaiton of the Dr. Fred Young tuba layout. I never thought of using the 6 valves for 6 consecutive half-tone step lenght, such that no combinations are needed down to the tritonus E, only single valves. Cool idea.

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:09 pm
by bort
Not to sound disrespectful, but there's not very much I like about that Fred Young tuba. If it works for him, great. But for me... "no thanks."

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:30 pm
by bloke
It's an interesting mathematics project, but I've not found "bad intonation" on any/many King BBb tubas (regardless of two or four loops) in particular - with only 4 valves.

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:43 pm
by Steve Marcus
Dr. Young’s son blogged:

I just uploaded two videos, and I hope to upload some more. The videos are on YouTube...In some of the videos I am playing the trombone part on a euphonium. In all the quintet videos my mother is playing the (french) horn part on a horn and my father is playing the tuba part on his monster BBb/EEE tuba. It has been nearly 20 years since the day this video was made. The link http://youtu.be/pdb3LHRv4YQ takes you to a tuba solo written by Georges Barboteu and performed by Dr. Frederick J. Young in Smethport, PA, USA.


The link indicated does not work. Where are these videos?

Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:58 pm
by roweenie
The concept of 6 semitone valves is nothing new - Adolphe Sax did it over 150 years ago.

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Re: 3+3 valve tuba ???

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:15 pm
by hrender
Steve Marcus wrote:Dr. Young’s son blogged:

I just uploaded two videos, and I hope to upload some more. The videos are on YouTube...In some of the videos I am playing the trombone part on a euphonium. In all the quintet videos my mother is playing the (french) horn part on a horn and my father is playing the tuba part on his monster BBb/EEE tuba. It has been nearly 20 years since the day this video was made. The link http://youtu.be/pdb3LHRv4YQ" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank takes you to a tuba solo written by Georges Barboteu and performed by Dr. Frederick J. Young in Smethport, PA, USA.


The link indicated does not work. Where are these videos?


Not a great quality video, but here it is.



A couple more from the same performance: