Dependent 5th valve tuning? Bookmark and Share

Dependent 5th valve tuning?

Postby sidenius » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:39 pm

Been considering having a dependent 5th valve added to the 4th valve tubing.
What is the common way to tune it?
I don't know if this makes any sense but:
Should one think of it as a long whole step replacing the 1 valve (like the independent setup) or just as engaging a minor lengthening of the 4th valve tubing using normal fingering?
Posts: 48
Joined: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:11 am
Location: Denmark

Re: Dependent 5th valve tuning?

Postby iiipopes » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:41 pm

Dependent 5th valves are disfavored because they can only work with a minimal number of valve combinations, and all of them including, of course, the 4th valve. Yes, as a long whole step, that will get (on a CC tuba) your low F a few ledger lines down in tune, and E below that in tune with a little lipping, but that is all. By making it dependent, instead of independent, among the alternate fingerings you lose are whole step trills or other technical passages that can be fingered 1+T and only having to move one valve, rather than play the passage 2+3 to 1, which may cause burbles even for the most technically proficient players, while you still get the advantages of the long whole step plus 4th to get the low F in tune as well as alternate fingerings where required for other notes throughout the scale.

These and other reasons are why conventional CC 5-valve tubas are configured as they are. Please reconsider not installing a dependent 5th valve.
"Bessophone" w/ 2-piece Imperial Blokepiece,
Lexan 32.6 Modified Helleberg rim & modified .080 extender
Wessex BR115 & B&H 3-valve comp w/ Wick Ultra SMB6
King Super 20 trumpet w/ Bach 3C/76
Fanned fret bass and electric guitars
User avatar
Utility Infielder
Utility Infielder
Posts: 8330
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:10 am

Re: Dependent 5th valve tuning?

Postby Mark Finley » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:29 am

I put a dependent 5th valve within the 4th valve circuit of my cerveny 601, and here's why.

1. It was less risky to effect the overall way the instrument played Than cutting into a conical leadpipe

2. I had survived over 25 years playing a 4 valve CC and just needed a low D and a couple Db's for a concert. I didn't care about all the independent options. A 5th valve isn't even needed for 99.9% of work out there

3. It was easier than cutting into the leadpipe, both in terms of installation, and placement of the tubing. I even made it modular so I could remove it when I didn't need it for a concert.
User avatar
Mark Finley
Low Brass Teacher
Low Brass Teacher
Posts: 5517
Joined: Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:08 am
Location: Arlington TX

Re: Dependent 5th valve tuning?

Postby Patrase » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:31 am

I have two dependant valves in my 4th valve circuit. Flat whole tone and flat half tone, on a Bb tuba I play in brass band. If I only could have one it would be the flat half tone, to cover 4 + 2 combinations. Ie play 4 + 5. I use that flat half tone valve significantly more frequently than the flat whole tone valve
Miraphone Norwegian Star
MW Fafner (souped up with 6 valves!)
Posts: 146
Joined: Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:02 pm

Re: Dependent 5th valve tuning?

Postby Bob Kolada » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:19 pm

What horn is it? A longer 4th slide might be something to consider; I believe that was a somewhat popular setup on small 4 valve Conns.
Bob Kolada
6 valves
6 valves
Posts: 2632
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:57 pm
Location: Chicago

Return to Repair, Modification, and Construction

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests