Older Sanders Etude: Chinese or Czech or...

WakinAZ · Post by **WakinAZ** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:35 am

I'm thinking Cerveny or B&S on this one, but:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0219090007

Eric "noticing this horn with same specs is still offered by CMC" L.

SÃ¸ren · Post by **SÃ¸ren** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:53 am

I don't think it's a B&S. More likely a Cerveny, but the wrap of the 3 and 4 valve tubing is different from the usual European tubas.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:09 pm

That's a Chinese copy of a B & S tuba. I don't have a clue where the 'Sanders' name came from. The backing plates of the attachement loops and finger ring are most certainly B & S inspired.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:41 pm

TubaTinker wrote:I don't have a clue where the 'Sanders' name came from.

Col. Sanders...

WakinAZ · Post by **WakinAZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:39 am

TubaTinker wrote:I don't have a clue where the 'Sanders' name came from.

I think it was an attempt to allude to the "Sander" tubas played by Fred Geib and others. Wasn't the copper Marzan a "Sander"? (Yup Google led me right to ...TubaTinker's website)

EDIT: What leads you to the Chinese conclusion, just the general look of the horn, or are there certain telling details? Not doubting you guys just looking to learn.

Eric "who thinks the 4th valve slide ring is a nice touch" L.

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:43 am

WakinAZ wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:I don't have a clue where the 'Sanders' name came from.
......EDIT: What leads you to the Chinese conclusion, just the general look of the horn, or are there certain telling details? Not doubting you guys just looking to learn. Eric "who thinks the 4th valve slide ring is a nice touch" L.

If I could get a closer look at the profile of the thumb-ring loop if might further increase my opinion that it's a Chinese horn. However, I'm basing the Chinese theory mainly on the rotor linkages. The images aren't very detailed, but they look sort of 'cheesy'... like some of the other 'Sanders' tubas I've seen that are confirmed Chinese. OTOH, maybe the linkages have been upgraded/changes. Those linkages just remind me of the sort of hardware that might have been on some of the stuff that the place in Ferndale had put on the Chinese horns that they imported and sold under the name of 'Sanders' a few decades ago.

eupher61 · Post by **eupher61** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:47 pm

which is a "Royal" (Oak) shame, since the Sanders instruments of 20-25 years ago were Cerveny, for the most part, and pretty doggone good overall.

WakinAZ · Post by **WakinAZ** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:04 am

I did notice since this thread was started that a current "Barrington" (undoubtedly Chinese) WWBW model has a very similar wrap, etc. even down to the pull ring on the fourth valve slide: http://wwbw.com/Barrington-BRG105R-Rota ... 5965.music

Eric