I know, wrong place, but an interesting Horn

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:04 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/TUBA_W0QQitemZ73792 ... dZViewItem

I have seen alot of chatter about this particular instrument maker as the York of Germany. This one is old, but looks well preserved and is going to go for a song!!!!

Chuck"spare the comments about placement, this one has historic value"Jackson

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:40 pm

Yeah... I looked at that one for quite a while. I've been intending to email the seller but it slipped my feeble mind.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:22 pm

The "York of Germany"!! Then who's going to cut it to CC?????

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:49 pm

In Germany B&F may have the same cachet that old Yorks have in this Country, but Grasliitz is not in Germany last I looked, although it may have been at one time. B&F is one of the companies that was subsumed by the Amati group after WWII, and Graslitz is in what is now known as the Czech republic. Markneukirchen, Germany is about 20 or so miles from Graslitz, so I think at some time Graslitz may have been under German control. Anyone know for certain?

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:14 pm

What's up with all the sellers lately having zero feedback??? And... He signed up for Ebay a year ago and has finally decided to sell, not buy??? What's up with the foreign language in the payment instructions??? There's something fishy in Portland, OR... Has anyone received an email from this person???

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:24 am

Lew wrote:In Germany B&F may have the same cachet that old Yorks have in this Country, but Grasliitz is not in Germany last I looked, although it may have been at one time. B&F is one of the companies that was subsumed by the Amati group after WWII, and Graslitz is in what is now known as the Czech republic. Markneukirchen, Germany is about 20 or so miles from Graslitz, so I think at some time Graslitz may have been under German control. Anyone know for certain?

It's known as the Sudeten--I believe that Mr. Hitler sought to liberate the persecuted ethnic German national socialists in Czechoslovakia.

After the war, the Czech government nationalized most of the businesses that were owned by ethnic Germans.

FWIW, many "American" stencils from the turn of the century are B&F made.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:34 pm

trseaman wrote:What's up with all the sellers lately having zero feedback??? And... He signed up for Ebay a year ago and has finally decided to sell, not buy??? What's up with the foreign language in the payment instructions??? There's something fishy in Portland, OR... Has anyone received an email from this person???

I think you have to send your email in French:

Seller's payment instructions
apres la vente l'acheteur doit verser le montant de la vente par virement bancaire ; l'objet va lui etre envoyÃ© par livraison express...apres la reception du colis l'acheteur doit rembourser les frais de livraison par virement bancaire aussi " Livraison en gÃ©nÃ©ral dans les 7 jours ouvrables suivant la rÃ©ception du paiement soldÃ© Â».

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:34 pm

Chuck Jackson wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/TUBA_W0QQitemZ73792 ... dZViewItem

I have seen alot of chatter about this particular instrument maker as the York of Germany.

Dude...you got it all wrong. THIS is the York of Germany:

http://cgi.ebay.com/York-Tuba-Bb-Made-i ... dZViewItem

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:35 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:I think you have to send your email in French

... or in Spanish, or in English.

And you people wouldn't trust such a person!

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:37 pm

I'm not even sure that fraud HAS taken place until payment is made for goods or services that are then not received. Of course, I'm just guessing, but it sure seems like a lot of trouble to confirm something you just *think* is fishy...

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:59 pm

DP wrote:For you guys and your intrigue about fraud, here's a tip: place a bid on the item in question, then request the seller's contact information from e-bay. If it comes back bogus, rat 'em out and e-bay will make the auction go away (thus preserving your precious 'feedback rating') If the contact info is legit, you just sleuthed your way into a bit more confidence you are dealing with a real person (one of over 5 billion real persons in the world, I might add)

It doesn't work that way, Dale. Most of these frauds are perpetrated by slimeballs hijaking legitimate user accounts (there's a whole underground distribution of accounts and passwords--why else do you think eBay has a real problem with "phishing"?).

An email to the seller asking for information about the item that a fraudster wouldn't have usually ferrets out the crooks.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:16 pm

And I thought York was in England - silly me!

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:19 pm

FYI... I did receive a response to my request for more pictures. The seller said he would try to get someone to take some pics and send them to me. I kind of got the impression that the seller is not where the horn is. The response was in broken French/Spanish??.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:21 pm

TubaTinker wrote:The response was in broken French/Spanish??.

That's consistent with what the ad was in...

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:18 pm

I asked for the diameter of the bell. The respondent told me:

I do not have any idea... for the moment I am on holiday in another country and I cannot answer you I will try to have an answer

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:21 pm

Well... this auction is closed. The high bidder is listed as being a member since January 10, 2006.... with no feedback.... and is in Portugal. The winner paid over $800 for this horn. Makes me think it is a scam or the buyer is a 'friend' of the seller. Whatever!

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:53 pm

TheEngineer wrote:Looks like a nice horn, but the German is a bit of a barrier. What key is that thing in?

"B-tuba" = "BBb tuba"

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:10 pm

Jonathantuba wrote:
2. und 3. Ventil hÃ¤ngt.
Does that mean the 2nd and 3rd valve are stuck?

Yes. He figures that all it'll take is some adjustment.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:13 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:He figures that all it'll take is some adjustment.

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I know, wrong place, but an interesting Horn

I know, wrong place, but an interesting Horn

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