holton BAT now on ebay

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 12:22 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0116161119

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:22 am

harold wrote:Note: I am bidding on this horn, but am not willing to pay what Mike thinks it will sell for. I am willing however to make sure that nobody gets a steal.

Altruism?

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:29 am

clarification info added...

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:44 am

Planning a trip to Indiana to figure that out...

Liberty Mo · Post by **Liberty Mo** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:52 am

harold wrote:Note: I am bidding on this horn, but am not willing to pay what Mike thinks it will sell for. I am willing however to make sure that nobody gets a steal.

If it is possible to reject a bidder, what better opportunity than to give Harold the boot for being a turd.

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:55 am

harold wrote:
Liberty Mo wrote:
harold wrote:Note: I am bidding on this horn, but am not willing to pay what Mike thinks it will sell for. I am willing however to make sure that nobody gets a steal.
If it is possible to reject a bidder, what better opportunity than to give Harold the boot for being a turd.
Seller won't boot me since I am boosting his potential gain. You might get this horn instead of me, but you will pay for it.

Remember, fellas...

Harold may be a turd but he's *our* turd....

Jeff "Been floating in a punch bowl or two myself" Benedict

WakinAZ · Post by **WakinAZ** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:49 am

a bidder wrote:Seller won't boot me since I am boosting his potential gain.

Nothing wrong with a little shill bidding between friends? Why not just set the reserve where it needs to be?

Eric "not the eBay police and wishing best of luck to the seller" L.

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:01 am

Harold and I are not friends.The reserve IS set where it should be.

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:03 am

Harold and I are not friends.The reserve IS set where it should be.

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:04 am

Harold and I are not friends.The reserve IS set where it should be.

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:06 am

Harold and I are not friends.The reserve IS set where it should be.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:53 am

the elephant wrote:They are perfect.

Nice try, but sorry.

They IS perfect...

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:04 pm

windshieldbug wrote:
the elephant wrote:They are perfect.
Nice try, but sorry.

They IS perfect...

Them is perfeck.

lgb&dtuba · Post by **lgb&dtuba** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:14 pm

harold wrote:
WakinAZ wrote:
a bidder wrote:Seller won't boot me since I am boosting his potential gain.
Nothing wrong with a little shill bidding between friends? Why not just set the reserve where it needs to be?

Eric "not the eBay police and wishing best of luck to the seller" L.
Nothing about being a shill. These horns have a certain value and I want to do my part to make sure they stay where they should.

An example. I bought a Holton 340 this morning that is in excellent shape and the plating is good for $1,600. With the addition of a MW valveset, that horn should double in value.

Who knows what will happen if I have it restored.

Harold, unless you are bidding on this item to win it yourself, which doesn't seem to be the case by your own words, then you are shill bidding by eBay's rules and risking getting the item pulled by eBay. Thereby harming the seller.

EBay says:

Shill Bidding is bidding that artificially increases an itemâ€™s price or apparent desirability, or bidding by individuals with a level of access to the sellerâ€™s item information not available to the general Community. Shill Bidding is prohibited on eBay.

If you're going to indulge in this practice you shouldn't declare it on a public board like you have. You're motivations for doing it are irrelevent.

And, no I'm not an eBay cop either.

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:15 pm

harold wrote:I want to do my part to make sure they stay where they should

That's good because no one else like those Holtons anyways...

Whatever makes your world click Harold... Without giving yourself too much credit, I'm sure Mike will do just fine without your help...

Tim

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:27 pm

windshieldbug wrote:
the elephant wrote:They are perfect.
Nice try, but sorry.

They IS perfect...

They BE perfect...

PhilipJ · Post by **PhilipJ** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:44 pm

The Big Ben wrote: Remember, fellas...

Harold may be a turd but he's *our* turd....

Jeff "Been floating in a punch bowl or two myself" Benedict

Actually, he's all yours....although your "punch bowl" line made me laugh so hard that I'm STILL wiping the coffee off my computer screen

harold wrote:Note: I am bidding on this horn, but am not willing to pay what Mike thinks it will sell for. I am willing however to make sure that nobody gets a steal.

So...if it's OK for someone openly to declare that he is bidding with no intent to buy, but just to manipulate the price for his own reasons, then I guess I can place a bid of 16,000 or so just to reveal the reserve, and then immediately retract the bid? I mean, as long as we're acting in our own interests, and the rules don't matter....right?

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Thu May 24, 2007 5:23 pm

If you guys make me have to start over,I won't be happy

.Harold-cease and desist.I'm just a guy who wants to change tubas.I think many of you have been there before.This is a really good tuba.I just want a different really good tuba.Although I guess I can't complain about all the free "bumps"...

lgb&dtuba · Post by **lgb&dtuba** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:42 pm

bloke wrote: People are just having bullshit pissing contests because THEY WANT YOUR HORN and IT IS AVAILABLE FOR SALE !!!

bloke "heck...Look at all the (all sincere, I'm quite certain) bidding has occurred after only part of one day!"

Well, there certainly is some bullshit here.

Jim 'not bidding and could care less about that horn' Wagner

Dan Schultz · Post by **Dan Schultz** » Thu May 24, 2007 9:44 pm

Bob1062 wrote:
harold wrote:These horns have a certain value and I want to do my part to make sure they stay where they should.
That still sounds wrong to me, though I am not verbose enough to really say why (big brother? and NOT the father-son thing either).

It IS wrong! Whatever the reasoning.