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From the description:

NEW JINBAO JBBB-200 Bb 4 large flat keys Tuba Gold
Tuba
key of Bb 4 large flat keys
Bell Diameter: 425mm
Length: 1100mm
brass lacquered /nickel piate
Copper-zinc alloy REALLY! I didn't know what brass was made of!
removable valves section Maybe with a torch!
extra rosebrass leadpipe for marching DUH!
ABS case and 1 mouthpiece

Hmmm, extra leadpipe for marching? Really! I would love to see someone marching with a rotary valve tuba on their shoulder. I can't even picture how one might begin to do that.

They get a lot of things wrong in writing descriptions. Sometimes it's pretty hilarious, as in this instance, and sometimes it really hurts them, as when they inexplicably describe the huge 4/4 JBB-210 as a 3/4 size tuba.

But the horns are still a good value for what they are.

talleyrand wrote:They get a lot of things wrong in writing descriptions. ..... But the horns are still a good value for what they are.

I agree that some of the Asian horns represent sort-of a good value. However... I still get a chuckle out of the thought of some brain-dead 'band parent' buying this listing as a surprise birthday present for their sophomore high school kid so he can participate in marching band with his own horn.

TubaTinker wrote:

talleyrand wrote:They get a lot of things wrong in writing descriptions. ..... But the horns are still a good value for what they are.

I agree that some of the Asian horns represent sort-of a good value. However... I still get a chuckle out of the thought of some brain-dead 'band parent' buying this listing as a surprise birthday present for their sophomore high school kid so he can participate in marching band with his own horn.

Yes, I agree with that. My sole experience is with two Jinbao horns, so that's pretty limited. The only ones I have ever heard or read anyone having a use for are Jinbaos. I think it's no accident that they are the manufacturer all the trusted dealers in this country use, like Dillon and M&M and Laabs.

Lew wrote:Hmmm, extra leadpipe for marching? Really! I would love to see someone marching with a rotary valve tuba on their shoulder. I can't even picture how one might begin to do that.

Like in picture below

I cannot make out the mention of extra leadpipe for marching, because it does not appear detachable in picture

Of course you can use a strap and march with them in front of your body, but that is NOT what the seller said. They mentioned an extra leadpipe for marching and the implication is that it is then like a convertible shoulder mounted horn. Why else would you need an extra leadpipe? I still can't picture marching with a rotary horn on one's shoulder.

Lew wrote:Of course you can use a strap and march with them in front of your body, but that is NOT what the seller said. They mentioned an extra leadpipe for marching and the implication is that it is then like a convertible shoulder mounted horn. Why else would you need an extra leadpipe?

As the existing leadpipe does not seem removable, maybe the 'extra leadpipe' is just like a sousaphone bit - a small extension to get mouthpiece in better position for marching? Seeing the poor English of the ad, I think that more likely?

Note the white strap (apparently included) in first picture of the advert which rather indicates carrying with strap, rather than on shoulder

I think they're just confused. Someone who can barely speak English is manipulating pre-written text they do not understand that was written to describe a different tuba. That's my guess.

Those folks in Mainland China don't speak English quite well and they always use the google translator to translate Chinese to English...forgive them

mctsang wrote:Those folks in Mainland China don't speak English quite well and they always use the google translator to translate Chinese to English...forgive them

I think they tend to use software called Youdau? That at least is what is installed on my wife's Chinese PC - and it does give sometimes comical translations. One has got to remember that not only are the words different in Chinese to English, but often the sentence structure as well. Most of us would be no good at writing an ad in Chinese I think!!!

Neptune wrote:

mctsang wrote:Those folks in Mainland China don't speak English quite well and they always use the google translator to translate Chinese to English...forgive them

I think they tend to use software called Youdau? That at least is what is installed on my wife's Chinese PC - and it does give sometimes comical translations. One has got to remember that not only are the words different in Chinese to English, but often the sentence structure as well. Most of us would be no good at writing an ad in Chinese I think!!!

Yea, always fun for me, I am Chinese, and those translators are fun to play,
like "tuba" , if you use google to translate to chinese and then translate the Chinese word back to English,
sometimes it will translate to "large" or "organ"
LOL

at least it comes in a plastic bag too.

So what exactly is "Nickel Piate"?

KiltieTuba wrote:

Lew wrote:Of course you can use a strap and march with them in front of your body, but that is NOT what the seller said. They mentioned an extra leadpipe for marching and the implication is that it is then like a convertible shoulder mounted horn. Why else would you need an extra leadpipe? I still can't picture marching with a rotary horn on one's shoulder.

You could march with it - the bell would just point behind you

You laugh! Some of the 19th century over-the-shoulder marching tubas were provided with a convertible mouthpiece so that one could use them sitting down, especially after the Civil War ended!

Tubas were large, expensive horns even then... and you didn't want to throw yours out just because there wasn't an army marching behind you!

tubaguy9 wrote:So what exactly is "Nickel Piate"?

Must be some new fangled way to use Nickel... lol...
Gotta be a typo...
They mus no kno tha Spel chek dus wunders.

UNMTUBADUDE wrote:

tubaguy9 wrote:So what exactly is "Nickel Piate"?

Must be some new fangled way to use Nickel... lol...
Gotta be a typo...
They mus no kno tha Spel chek dus wunders.

All being said... their English is still a heck of a lot better than my Chinese.

TubaTinker wrote:All being said... their English is still a heck of a lot better than my Chinese.

没有粪。 矿，也是!

Input to Babel Fish: No sh!t. Mine, too!
translated as: Without the excrement. Ore, is also!

Somehow I suspect I could learn to write in Chinese faster than I could learn to read aloud in Chinese; have you ever tried to pronounce a tonal language? I have an office mate who is Vietnamese, and trying to pronounce even simple things with the proper intonation is *very* difficult for a non-native speaker to get a hold of. Your voice has to go up or down in pitch in a very prescribed way, to say what you are trying to say. Othewise, you either say something else or nothing at all, just babble.

MA