4v old Cerveny F

[bisontuba]

Hi-
On ebay-FYI-mark

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261026390014?ss ... 500wt_1215" target="_blank

[MartyNeilan]

Cut the last few cylindrical inches off the leadpipe and just a hair of taper to where the ID is .687.
Drop in a .687 four piston valveset off a trashed King or similar horn.
Ditch the first two rotors.
Keep the last 2 rotors and cut slides to use as 5th and 6th valves.
Have the latest whiz-bang small to medium piston F tuba for 1/4 the new price.

[Donn]

The comparison photo with the B&S makes it look to me like a less conical design - larger bore, smaller bell - which is how my (now gone) F helicon was. Indeed it was fairly trouble free with intonation, low C and that stuff, at least relative to my small pile of junk tubas. Its tone was a bit drier than average.

[DoubleBass]

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Alexander-F-Tuba ... 2570b16e13" target="_blank

That is a good Germany F.

[MackBrass]

Cut the last few cylindrical inches off the leadpipe and just a hair of taper to where the ID is .687.
Drop in a .687 four piston valveset off a trashed King or similar horn.
Ditch the first two rotors.
Keep the last 2 rotors and cut slides to use as 5th and 6th valves.
Have the latest whiz-bang small to medium piston F tuba for 1/4 the new price.

That was my intention when I bought the horn but do to lack of time and desire, I decided to put it back on the market. If I dont put it in the hands of someone that can find a use for it, it will just wind up being a wall hanger in my house as I barely play the horns that I currently have. The horn is worth doing something with and someone will get a good playing F tuba.

[MackBrass]

[quote="This "Minty Fresh" eBay Seller"]Intonation is great as there are no funky notes and no alterate fingerings needed to play.

Then it should be priced at something above $10,000 and then the Chinese will "clone" it. Oh, wait. We cannot say such things here. Sorry.[/quote]

What???

[bisontuba]

Might be a great project to turn into a F Cimbasso (bore might be too big...), get parts for a bottom bow and a crook for a bell AND a bell, bend lead pipe, etc. then if it is a success, have it copied in the Far East......hmmmmm....

Mark

[bisontuba]

It is back up on eBay - FYI-
Mark

[Donn]

Wait for it to be re-listed for the eighth time

Let's not forget to keep count.

The attention to this one is puzzling to me. Does anyone play tubas like this one any more? Clockspring valves == junk. Narrow bell == junk. 4 valve F == junk. I'm missing something?

[bort]

It's more than I would pay for it, but I don't think it's "junk."

Before the flood of Chinese F tubas, people would have said "it's great to learn on." I bet it's still fine for that!

[Donn]

It's more than I would pay for it, but I don't think it's "junk."

Before the flood of Chinese F tubas, people would have said "it's great to learn on." I bet it's still fine for that!

I use the term loosely. I have or have had several tubas, only one of them really couldn't be considered junk. and it's probably the one I play least often. I'm fine with junk, myself. Is that all this is?

[MackBrass]

It's more than I would pay for it, but I don't think it's "junk."

Before the flood of Chinese F tubas, people would have said "it's great to learn on." I bet it's still fine for that!

I use the term loosely. I have or have had several tubas, only one of them really couldn't be considered junk. and it's probably the one I play least often. I'm fine with junk, myself. Is that all this is?

How can you claim something is junk without playing this horn? The horn plays vey well in tune and has one of the best bydlo upper registers of any f I have ever played. Just because if has clock springs and only 4 valves means nothing in the right hands.

If its not for you then why waste your time basing it? Move on and do something else.

[MartyNeilan]

Tom,
What is the bore on the big side of the tuning slide? My old (though not as old as yours) Cerveny F had a .835 Quint valve on the other side of the tuning slide. That could be another potential valve location.

[MackBrass]

Tom,
What is the bore on the big side of the tuning slide? My old (though not as old as yours) Cerveny F had a .835 Quint valve on the other side of the tuning slide. That could be another potential valve location.

Hi Marty,

I did measure it at one point and yes this could be a good spot for a larger valve, I would do it and keep it but I just dont have the time and with the very little playing I do I can't justify keeping it as I already own one f tuba.

[Donn]

How can you claim something is junk without playing this horn? The horn plays vey well in tune and has one of the best bydlo upper registers of any f I have ever played. Just because if has clock springs and only 4 valves means nothing in the right hands.

Well, that's an answer to my question, thanks. In 16 or so posts, until the above there hasn't been much information or even informed speculation that would explain what if anything is specifically interesting about this tuba, even as raw material. I think I now understand. As for junk - like I said, junk is what I play. I like junk. Junk can Bydlo like an angel, in the right hands. Junk is greatly under-valued, that's the best thing.

[Lingon]

...I'm missing something?...

It is a tiny slice of the history.
Also remember that the pendulum swings...

[Donn]

Also remember that the pendulum swings...

... not that pesky pendulum again?