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Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby toobagrowl » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:31 pm

Just like the B&S 'Sonora' BBb. I like the fairly elaborate engraving on the bell.
Nothing spectacular, but should be a decent player:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crown-Tuba-Rotary-4-Valve-Looks-Great-/121054138088?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item1c2f638ee8


There is also another B&S-made 'Accent' tuba w/case, just like some of the older UMI-labeled 'Musica' BBb tubas. Should be a good player:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Accent-tuba-/251217241182?pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item3a7db6e45e
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:13 am

Add these two to the ever-growing list of known B&S stencils. We're pretty sure B&S made at least some of the Sanders horns:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=53412

and here's the much-earlier B&S discussion I linked to in that thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43102&hilit=cold+war+tubas

So far we have, to my knowledge (list updated 6-28-18):

Accent
Bach
Carl Wunderlich
Conn International
Courtois
Crown
Forza
Gerhard Schneider
Giardinelli
Hans Mueller
Hanstone
Hilgers
Karl Zeiss (or Ziess)
König
Lamar
L'Rae
Mercedes
Musica
Otto Weimar
Sanders
Schmidt (F.)
Sonora
Vespro
VMI
Walter Kroner
Weltklang

Any others?
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Mark Finley » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:32 am

Don't forget the Rogers tuba. (brook mays house brand)
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby toobagrowl » Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:30 pm

Thanks.


Heavy_Metal wrote:So far we have, to my knowledge:

Accent
Carl Wunderlich
Crown
Gerhard Schneider
Karl Zeiss
König
Musica
Otto Weimar
Sanders
Sonora
VMI
Walter Kroner

Any others?


Add 'Giardinelli' and 'Bach' to the list. :wink: They are 4/4 rotary BBb tubas. Probably others as well. It can be confusing because some of those brands are made by two or more manufacturers.
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Mark Finley » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:45 pm

my mistake... Rogers wasn't the house brand for the brass, only the drums.

Meant to say Schmidt
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Michael Bush » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:10 pm

There is a "Mercedes' stencil. Not the Bach one, obviously. I've got a picture of one around here someplace...
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:31 am

Updated, thanks.
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby ArnoldGottlieb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:55 am

Weltklang.
Had 2 when I lived in Dresden. Would still have them if I had cases.
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:16 am

Thanks- don't know how I missed that, since it appears in one of the threads I referenced.... :oops:

BTW, the Crown has been relisted with a price drop. Someone please buy this tuba!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crown-Tuba-Rota ... 1c30155140
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1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
1965 Mahillon 390 BBb
1970s Marzan Slant-rotor BBb
~1904 York 3-piston BBb Helicon
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby imperialbari » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:32 pm

Conn International by B&S/Weltklang?

Weren't they by the Austran maker, that later on named the same models Musica?

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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Cthuba » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:20 pm

My friend actually had a b&s stencil of a pt606 labeled on the bell courtois.
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:57 pm

Got it, thanks.
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1976 Sonora (B&S 101) 4-rotor BBb
1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
1965 Mahillon 390 BBb
1970s Marzan Slant-rotor BBb
~1904 York 3-piston BBb Helicon
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Re: Yet another B&S stencil - 'Crown' BBb tuba

Postby Heavy_Metal » Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:04 pm

imperialbari wrote:Conn International by B&S/Weltklang?

Weren't they by the Austran maker, that later on named the same models Musica?

Klaus


Some of them might have been. As has been stated elsewhere, it's almost impossible to trademark something like "Musica", so if the same importer wasn't buying from different sources, another importer might have grabbed the name.

But we actually did see pics of a "Conn International" that came from B&S. The Craigslist post is gone, but here is our thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=59862&p=500901
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1976 Sonora (B&S 101) 4-rotor BBb
1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
1965 Mahillon 390 BBb
1970s Marzan Slant-rotor BBb
~1904 York 3-piston BBb Helicon
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