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Postby Tubadork » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:12 am

wow,
this looks like fun.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 64813&rd=1
anyone know anything about this horn?
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Postby harold » Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:34 am

I can tell you this:

One of the guys bidding on that horn is a very serious collector - I wouldn't bid against him unless you are real serious and don't mind paying what that horn is worth - you are NOT going to get a deal on it.
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Postby PhilipJ » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:14 pm

I "bought" this tuba when it first came up on Ebay 3 or 4 years ago; that is, I clicked "Buy It Now" (at $1400!), then looked more closely at the pictures and began to suspect it had been cut to CC (the key was not specified in the auction). My suspicion was confirmed, so I backed out and let someone else buy it. Wonder how many have owned it since....
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Postby MartyNeilan » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:35 pm

Does anyone know what happenned to that Martin (BBb, 1 piece bell, front action pistons) that sold for around 8 THOUSAND dollars on EBay a couple of years ago?
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Postby bloke » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:48 pm

Does anyone know what happenned to that Martin (BBb, 1 piece bell, front action pistons) that sold for around 8 THOUSAND dollars on EBay a couple of years ago?


I watched one of our TubeNet members purchase a 3V front-action one-piece upright bell Martin B.A.T. on eBay a couple of years ago...and then contacted him and told him I had something very special to sell him for his instrument...

...a "mint" condition (not the lacquer, but the mechanics...and no dents!) original Martin B.A.T. front-action 4V valve section that fit his instrument!

Yep. He bought it...and ended up with his own $8K Martin for far less than $8K
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Postby harold » Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:42 am

Yeah - whatever happened to that 8K Martin?

Of course Mike Ferries horn started off life as a 3 valve top action Martin - until Oberloh got a hold of it.

http://www.oberloh.com/martintuba/martintuba.htm

I'm telling you guys - look at the list of bidders - one of them is Mike Lynch and we KNOW he is serious about buying stuff.
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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:38 pm

"I'm telling you guys - look at the list of bidders - one of them is Mike Lynch and we KNOW he is serious about buying stuff"

--for those of us not in the know, who is Mike Lynch?
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Postby harold » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:35 pm

Mike Lynch is a serious collector living in Idaho. At last report he needed a semi trailer when he moved just for his collection.
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Postby cjk » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:58 pm

The last bid is likely the one that counts. Intermediate bids (regardless of whether they are made by an uber-collector or not) are a waste of time.

Furthermore, I don't understand why this tuba is collectable.

It's a big *** Martin (with lots of dents) cut to CC with no room for an in-line 5th valve. If those are the original valves, the bore on those was like .710. It could have wonderful intonation or the scale of an Alex. Has anybody actually played it?


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Postby Guest » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:24 pm

"One of the guys bidding on that horn is a very serious collector - I wouldn't bid against him unless you are real serious and don't mind paying what that horn is worth - you are NOT going to get a deal on it."

I just find this statement a little troubling. It makes no sense. Most people would not issue a bid for an item of this price unless they were real serious about paying for it, and if the price escalates beyond their means to afford it, they would not bid further.

Your statement seems to imply that no one should bid on the item and should simply let this guy take it at opening bid because its impossible to win against him. This not only defeats the purpose of the auction but would raise significant questions about your motives.

Are you attempting to drive away potential bidders? If I were the seller, I would hope that those who are not going to bid on the horn would leave comments that are damaging to my sell to themselves.

On another note, I would venture to guess this individual's pockets are not so deep that no one else could win an auction against him.
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Postby harold » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:57 pm

I didn't say you couldn't buy the horn.

There is a common perception - sometimes even accurate that you can get some good deals on instruments on E-Bay. As noted above, there was even a 3 valve BBb Martin that sold for nearly 8K.

What I'm saying is that you may win this auction, but be prepared to pay top dollar for this horn - the other guys bidding on it are serious and they KNOW what that horn is worth to them.

As a matter of fact, if I see that certain people are bidding on instruments, I won't enter an auction unless I'm prepared to pay for the experience.
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Postby Mark Finley » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:51 pm

If you're going to bid, snipe. It's the only option in a situation like this.
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Postby Matthew Gilchrest » Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:58 am

FWIW, anything that has "Labor of love" in the description maybe something to shy away from.

Also, the bell looks to be "trimmed". I thought most Martin upright bells were at least 22-24" in diameter on this big horns. From the one picture, the bell doesn't appear to have as much "pancake" as most Martin 6/4 tubas do. It looks to be a well done job, but I always wonder how this effects the sound or intonation, even this last little bit, as it does tinker with the point of reflection. Trimming a bell on any horn would potentially limit its value, I imagine.

This horn is a work in progress and should be approached as such. If a collector wants to buy it and finish the job, then so be it.

It looks like any bidder will have to put at least another $1500 into it. I'm thinking just a valve job, some slide alignment, moving a few braces, 5th valve fabrication, and a go-over with a dent magnet will fetch this much. Figure $3-4K to get it into "new" or "like-new" condition.

I only hope the intonation was as good as it was in BBb. Martins played well in tune for the most part. I have my fingers crossed for the winner.
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Martin bells

Postby Mitch » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:50 am

It would be good to find out/discuss more factual information on Martin bells, with regard to bell diameter.

I have a 1960 Martin BBb BAT with a 20" one-piece bell and no reason to believe it was trimmed in any way.

I think it's reasonable to state that the bell on the horn in question may be, and is likely, original. The serial number on the eBay Martin is post-1960. Martin may have made larger upright bells at one point in time, but it's more likely the bell is in its original form.

It's a delicate thing to devalue an object (or anything/one) based solely on conjecture. Should I decide to sell mine, I would hate to think no one would want it because they regarded a 20" bell a modified detriment.

FWIW, my experience with BAT Martins is that their later upright bells tend to run 20", and their -recording- bells are in the 22-24" range.
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Re: Martin bells

Postby Lew » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:16 am

Mitch wrote: ... FWIW, my experience with BAT Martins is that their later upright bells tend to run 20", and their -recording- bells are in the 22-24" range.


I too have seen Martins with original fixed upright 20" bells. My Martin recording bell is 24", but I have seen Martin recording bells as large as 30" in diameter. There was one on ebay a couple of years ago that they showed resting on the 30" recording bell, and the bell was so large that it held up a BAT body without tipping over.
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Postby harold » Fri Feb 04, 2005 12:53 am

So - it sold for $3,383.00 - which is far more than I would have paid for it.

Look at the bidders:

Mike Lynch
Lanny Robbins
Eli Newberger

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Postby MartyNeilan » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:57 pm

If I hadn's just purchased a different flavor beast...

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