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Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:50 pm
by SousaWarrior9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BUESCHE ... 4d208dcfa3" target="_blank
Looks like an Eb
I've never seen anything like this before...anyone seen a tuba with that valve wrap like this?
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:25 pm
by Jose the tuba player
damn beat me to it....
and how odd that the leadpipe goes into the third valve.
and how can you tell it's an Eb?
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:20 pm
by SousaWarrior9
Jose the tuba player wrote:
and how can you tell it's an Eb?
Just a guess. The overall smallishness of the horn, plus the valve slides don't look long enough to be BBb and 3/4 BBb tubas usually have several inner bows winding around, whereas this one only has one loop before hitting the main slide.
I've never seen this in any Buescher catalogs I'be seen and I couldn't find it on horn-u-copia either. A prototype, Maybe? The only thing I've seen that's even remotely close to this tuba is this:
http://thevillagetinker.com/Misc%20stuff.htm" target="_blank" target="_blank (scroll about halfway down the page) But even then the actual piping of the valves is totally different and on the other side of the horn.
Definitely strange...I kinda want it
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:25 am
by Jose the tuba player
SousaWarrior9 wrote:Jose the tuba player wrote:
and how can you tell it's an Eb?
Just a guess. The overall smallishness of the horn, plus the valve slides don't look long enough to be BBb and 3/4 BBb tubas usually have several inner bows winding around, whereas this one only has one loop before hitting the main slide.
I've never seen this in any Buescher catalogs I'be seen and I couldn't find it on horn-u-copia either. A prototype, Maybe? The only thing I've seen that's even remotely close to this tuba is this:
http://thevillagetinker.com/Misc%20stuff.htm" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank (scroll about halfway down the page) But even then the actual piping of the valves is totally different and on the other side of the horn.
Definitely strange...I kinda want it
i was thinking about picking this up too but im an Bb guy.
if you do get it let us know what key its in.
and is thing some sort of compensating tuba because this looks odd
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDAwWDYwMw==/ ... 4/$_12.JPG" target="_blank
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:03 am
by Jose the tuba player
according to a fellow tubenetter
Heliconer wrote: it IS the first tuba version I've seen, But I have seen a few baritones and cornets with similar design. This Was Buescher's attempt to revolutionize the way air traveled through the horn.
It is called an "Epoch Model". It was designed to lessen the amount of sharp turns that air flowed through, to create a more open and responsive Horn.
and i also found this older post with examples
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=37588&hilit=buescher+euphonium" target="_blank"
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:43 am
by Heliconer
This is the first tuba version I've seen, But I have seen a few baritones and cornets with similar design. This Was Buescher's attempt to revolutionize the way air traveled through the horn.
It is called an "Epoch Model". It was designed to lessen the amount of sharp turns that air flowed through, to create a more open and responsive Horn.
They made LOTS of cornets like this, and apparently went all the way to Tubas. Definitely in Eb.
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:47 am
by Jose the tuba player
Heliconer wrote:Definitely in Eb.
damn it!
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:53 am
by sugawi
I asked about serial #, here is his response:
"1198 ON SECOND VALVE 3 ON THE THIRD VALVE."
According to charts this one was made between 1894 and 1904, this range is for serial numbers between 1 and 2499.
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:20 am
by windshieldbug
sugawi wrote:I asked about serial #, here is his response:
"1198 ON SECOND VALVE 3 ON THE THIRD VALVE."
According to charts this one was made between 1894 and 1904, this range is for serial numbers between 1 and 2499.
This exact model (Eb) appears on the inside front cover of a 1901 copy of the Buescher True Tone Magazine [No. 3] that I have.
The "Epoch" valve was patented Mar 19, 1901.
[670365]
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 0365-1.png
It turned out that they played no easier than traditional contemporary valves.
The last pre-5000 (1904) serial number that I've recorded is 3720, and I've got 26 so far.
They apparently started over at 5000 after the 1904 fire.
... So I would say that number 1198 likely falls somewhere in
1901-1902.
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:41 am
by sugawi
Seller looked again and corrected serial #, it is 1193.
There's not much pre 1903 fire data left, this could be a good reference for production years.
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:13 pm
by bisontuba
windshieldbug wrote:sugawi wrote:I asked about serial #, here is his response:
"1198 ON SECOND VALVE 3 ON THE THIRD VALVE."
According to charts this one was made between 1894 and 1904, this range is for serial numbers between 1 and 2499.
This exact model (Eb) appears on the inside front cover of a 1901 copy of the Buescher True Tone Magazine [No. 3] that I have.
The "Epoch" valve was patented Mar 19, 1901.
[670365]
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis ... 0365-1.png
It turned out that they played no easier than traditional contemporary valves.
The last pre-5000 (1904) serial number that I've recorded is 3720, and I've got 26 so far.
They apparently started over at 5000 after the 1904 fire.
... So I would say that number 1198 likely falls somewhere in
1901-1902.
Hi-
Scan a copy of that inside front cover to show us - if possible...
Mark
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:54 pm
by windshieldbug
jonesmj wrote:
Hi-
Scan a copy of that inside front cover to show us - if possible...
Mark
It's quite fragile (as you can imagine) and the cover is black printing on dark green paper, but I'll see what I can do...
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:02 pm
by bisontuba
Hi-
A great app is TurboScan--I use it on my iPhone to 'scan' music, etc.--really amazing and nothing touches the paper.
Good luck!
Mark
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:49 pm
by windshieldbug
Re: Buescher Tuba: What The...!?
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:00 pm
by bisontuba
Awesome -- great info-many thanks !!
Mark
