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Professional rotary Children?

Postby tubapix » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:22 pm

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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby roweenie » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:38 pm

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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby Donn » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:38 pm

Well, it's an odd one for sure.
- 4 valves, but hasn't decided for sure whether Eb or F
- 8 2/3 inch bell, a little less than 1/2 inch bore.
- "Prof Children F/EB Tuba" -- Professor Children tuba? tuba for professional children?

The bell might be small enough to put this instrument half way in the cimbasso category. The bore is smaller than a bass trombone, but as an ostensibly conical design it may not matter so much.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby goodgigs » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:09 pm

It seems obvious to Me what's probably going on here is this,
"Wow we can't sell enough of these travel tubas !"
"I know, let's call children('s) tubas and see if we can move them that way !"
What else could it be ?
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby 58mark » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:34 pm

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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby bloke » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:41 pm

no silly. :|

It's an amazing instrument DESIGNED BY PROFESSOR Children.
"Professor Children" is the BRAND NAME.
NOW do you get it...??
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby tofu » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:03 pm

"free white gloves included"

This would make it Sousa approved.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby Wyvern » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:09 pm

This is the travel tuba Wessex previous sold as the Bubbie manufactured by Hushen. You change the main tuning slide to lower to Eb.

These are good light travel tubas, but hardly ideal for Children as they take more work to play than a full size tuba.

The current Wessex TF135 Bubbie 5 is completely new design with larger bore and 5 valves.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby ValveSlide » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:01 am

Wyvern wrote:This is the travel tuba Wessex previous sold as the Bubbie manufactured by Hushen. You change the main tuning slide to lower to Eb.

These are good light travel tubas, but hardly ideal for Children as they take more work to play than a full size tuba.


Actually, the original design http://jestaedt-instrumente.de/?page_id=340 is ideal for children. Children have a much smaller lung capacity and a lower flow rate. It's only more difficult for adults who want to pick it up and move the same rates as their regular instruments.

Marketing something for unintended use then criticizing it doesn't make much sense.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby opus37 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:23 am

ValveSlide wrote:
Wyvern wrote:This is the travel tuba Wessex previous sold as the Bubbie manufactured by Hushen. You change the main tuning slide to lower to Eb.

These are good light travel tubas, but hardly ideal for Children as they take more work to play than a full size tuba.


Actually, the original design http://jestaedt-instrumente.de/?page_id=340 is ideal for children. Children have a much smaller lung capacity and a lower flow rate. It's only more difficult for adults who want to pick it up and move the same rates as their regular instruments.

Marketing something for unintended use then criticizing it doesn't make much sense.


Having 2 grand children who love to "play" grandpa's tubas and having owned this model and the Bubbie 5, I can say from their experience, that they have an easier time blowing my 1912 Martin than the original Bubbie. Additionally, the Bubbie 5 is easier and more fun for them because it has larger bore and the size is easy for them to handle. I think they prefer the Martin or to climb into my tuba chair and blow into my 28k. Based on this experience, I'd conclude that the Bubbie 5 or a 3/4 horn would be the better kids horn.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby ValveSlide » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:41 am

opus37 wrote:Having 2 grand children who love to "play" grandpa's tubas...


Yep, there's "play" and then there's play. These were designed for very young children to learn on. To play, not "play." Once they can play, and not just "play," they can then move on to larger instruments.

And... The original Jestaedt is in a completely different league than these "copies."
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby Wyvern » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:11 am

ValveSlide wrote:And... The original Jestaedt is in a completely different league than these "copies."

The original Bubbie and the Jestaedt play very alike - not surprising as one is clone of the other, which Wessex incidentally had no hand in development (apart from the additional Eb slide) - but found and promoted in our earlier days, until we could develop something better.

Also if you look on the Jestaedt website you helpfully linked above - Jestaedt no longer even promote that small bore 'children' tuba themselves - but have made new large bore design for children.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby ValveSlide » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:59 am

Jestaedt's quality is in a different league. I disagree that they played similarly. The manufacturing errors in the "copies" I've seen (actually made by "who knows...") added up to a more difficult instrument to use.

Why would Jestaedt continue to produce an instrument for a very small (micro?) market with a flood of cheaply made copies available?

They were a innovation mis-marketed by their copiers, imo.

The copies could still be of use for the original purpose, but less so for how some resellers marketed them, again, imo.
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby opus37 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:53 am

ValveSlide wrote:
opus37 wrote:And... The original Jestaedt is in a completely different league than these "copies."


Since I've never seen or played on an original Jestaedt instrument, I defer to your expertise on them. Do you think the instrument offered for sale in this ad is an original or one of the copies?
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Re: Professional rotary Children?

Postby ValveSlide » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:15 am

opus37 wrote:Since I've never seen or played on an original Jestaedt instrument, I defer to your expertise on them. Do you think the instrument offered for sale in this ad is an original or one of the copies?


From eBay ad
Item location: Shandong, China


My guess? I might say copy. Its "qualities?" Only a buyer will know.

And to be clear, these were never intended as "travel tubas." They, indeed, were intended by the original designers at Jestaedt as an entry point to tuba playing for very young children.
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