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Marzan BBb

Postby sugawi » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:47 am

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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby shinytuba7 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:50 pm

Anyone have an opinion on the condition of this horn?
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Dan Schultz » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:28 pm

shinytuba7 wrote:Anyone have an opinion on the condition of this horn?

Might be a good buy but I'm a bit turned off by the damaged bell.
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Heavy_Metal » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:21 pm

I won this tuba and it arrived today. It looks better in person. Basically it's in similar condition to the Mahillon I got a while back, minus the trumpet mute stuck in the bottom bow. It could probably tell a few interesting stories if it could talk.

The valves were completely dry- it apparently hasn't been played in a long time. I oiled them and will let it sit for a while so the oil can soak in. The open notes sound great, just like the similar Marzan I tried and liked at BBC not long ago. IIRC that one sold for $4700 or so.

The patch in the bell is rather small, and so far it hasn't taken away anything from the sound. But the bell has a couple wrinkles which I'll have rolled out.

The seller did a fine job of packing this tuba. To satisfy the signature-on-delivery requirement which is a problem if they come when I'm not home, I had him send it to one of the two local UPS Customer Centers and picked it up there. I would buy from him again.

As I understand it, these tubas did not have serial numbers- could someone verify this?
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby windshieldbug » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:21 pm

Heavy_Metal wrote:As I understand it, these tubas did not have serial numbers- could someone verify this?


My CC doesn't have anything but a valve block number stamped on the underside of the valve paddles...
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Dan Schultz » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:57 pm

Heavy_Metal wrote:.... As I understand it, these tubas did not have serial numbers- could someone verify this?


There are no serial numbers on the slant-rotor Marzans.... only what I call a 'build number' stamped on all of the linkage parts, paddle bar, and rotor parts. They apparently built the valve sections in batches and gave each batch consecutive numbers.

The piston horns had a serial number on the valve cluster.

That being said... the .750" bore Marzans (both rotary and piston ones) were built in the Bohm & Meinl factory in the early 70's. None of the dealers in the US kept lists of the buyers and no one seems to know how many of each variety and key were sold.

I came very close to buying this one, too. I think you did well!
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Heavy_Metal » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:23 am

Seller says he bought this as part of a group of instruments from a retired Chicagoland band director. He has several other horns up on eBay, including a Conn (10J?) 3-piston BBb.

Dan, I see you have a Marzan page on your site. As soon as this one is ready to play, and assuming the camera doesn't break upon seeing me, I'll be happy to send you a pic for that page.
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Heavy_Metal » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:49 pm

Frank
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1976 Sonora (B&S 101) 4-rotor BBb
1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
1965 Mahillon 390 BBb
1970s Marzan Slant-rotor BBb
~1904 York 3-piston BBb Helicon
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Dan Schultz » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:25 pm

Heavy_Metal wrote:.... Dan, I see you have a Marzan page on your site. As soon as this one is ready to play, and assuming the camera doesn't break upon seeing me, I'll be happy to send you a pic for that page.


I haven't updated the Marzan page in quite a while but please do send me some images. Maybe it will inspire me to get off my butt and tend to my web site!
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby ufonium2 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:39 pm

I'm glad you had a good experience buying from this guy. I was going to bid on the Getzen he had, but he wouldn't do local pickup (said it wasn't worth his time for "smaller items") and I thought that was weird. So I guess it wasn't a scam, just weird business practice.
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Heavy_Metal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:34 pm

Or maybe he just didn't have the time to meet during normal hours............... I know what that's like.

The oil soak-in worked- Hetman's #12 to the rescue- all valves functional and the Marzan is making music again. I have a brass ensemble rehearsal this weekend and will probably take it there. But it will still go to BBC for a check-up when they're done with the summer school-instrument onslaught.
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1964 Conn 20J/21J BBb (one body, both bells)
1965 Mahillon 390 BBb
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~1904 York 3-piston BBb Helicon
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Re: Marzan BBb

Postby Tubaryan12 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:09 am

Dan Schultz wrote:
Heavy_Metal wrote:.... As I understand it, these tubas did not have serial numbers- could someone verify this?


There are no serial numbers on the slant-rotor Marzans.... only what I call a 'build number' stamped on all of the linkage parts, paddle bar, and rotor parts. They apparently built the valve sections in batches and gave each batch consecutive numbers.



If this is the case, then mine was the 1st in its batch.
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