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"Tuba" ?

Postby thejester10276 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:36 pm

These look pretty interesting, probably some sort of marching tuba/bugle. It's a really weird configuration though, with the single piston and single rotor and plumbing, and especially the way it's intended on being held with respect to the position of the mouthpipe... any thoughts? They're being sold together for ~$200, but being shipped from the UK... maybe... :roll:
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Re: "Tuba" ?

Postby Dan Schultz » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:53 pm

thejester10276 wrote:These look pretty interesting, probably some sort of marching tuba/bugle. It's a really weird configuration though, with the single piston and single rotor and plumbing, and especially the way it's intended on being held with respect to the position of the mouthpipe... any thoughts? They're being sold together for ~$200, but being shipped from the UK... maybe... :roll:
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Marching bugles. Pretty much useless unless you are shopping for a 'geezer corps'.
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Re: "Tuba" ?

Postby ATschetter » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:24 pm

I've got one of these with just one valve sitting at home right now. They're pitched in G, and at least mine's valve lowers the fundamental by a 4th to D, allowing one entire G major scale to be usable along with some harmonics below the scale.
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Re: "Tuba" ?

Postby the elephant » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:32 pm

Yep, piston/rotor bugles in G. The one on the right looks like an Olds Ultratone "bass-baritone" and the other might be an Olds Duratone baritone. (The Duratones were the lower line with a cheaper brushed nickel finish rather than the Ultratone's hard chrome plating over nickel.) The one on the left could also be a Getzen Titlist baritone.

Probably from the middle to late 1960s. Not worth much at all. I bought an Olds Ultratone contrabass (same, in G with a whole step piston and a half step rotor) for under a hundred bucks last year, in great shape, no case. These two baris together might be worth a hundred bucks. This guy has zero idea of what he has, and that is bad in this case as he thinks they hold some actual value.

If you don't know, bugles from WWII on through the early 1990s in DCI could not play a chromatic scale due to only having two valves. (Later ones had two pistons, like a trumpet missing 3rd.) The Rules Congress of DCI legalized three-valved G bugles in 1990. So from WWII until 1990 these old G bugles were still actually bugles. Starting in 1990 it became marching band brass in the wrong key, and finally DCI fixed that (and forever ruined corps) by switching to the much smaller, weaker and thinner sounding Bb/F brass used by marching bands. The intense and destructive "R&D" done by corps has helped the manufacturers to upgrade what they sell considerably, but they still do not produce the timbre or volume of the old G horns, but the intonation is much better. So there have been gains with the losses. The activity is FAR different than it had been for many decades.

The horns this guy is selling are very interesting to own if you are into drum corps history but have no ensembles in which to play, are in a funky key, and cannot play much of their low register notes. If you can get them *very* cheaply and are interested in them, go for it. But I would not pay him more than a hundred for the pair as they are available for that elsewhere. They are not yet difficult to find for sale, and his listed price of about $188 is stupidly high. Keep in mind that these are truly rare in the UK, so he thinks he has something to sell. If you search US eBay these pop up all the time.

Here is some history if you are interested.

http://www.middlehornleader.com/Evolution%20of%20the%20Bugle%20--%20Section%204.htm
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