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Postby Stryk » Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:28 am

This is one of the most under rated horns around. 3/4 in size, 5/4 in sound. This looks like one of the older hand made ones, too. If I didn't already have one, I would buy it. Just sayin....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-AMATI-KRASLICE-CC-TUBA-WITH-CASE-/253088408971?hash=item3aed3ea58b:g:rRYAAOSwhIFZiGv2
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Re: What a deal!

Postby groth » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:05 am

Stryk wrote:This is one of the most under rated horns around. 3/4 in size, 5/4 in sound. This looks like one of the older hand made ones, too. If I didn't already have one, I would buy it. Just sayin....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-AMATI-KRASLICE-CC-TUBA-WITH-CASE-/253088408971?hash=item3aed3ea58b:g:rRYAAOSwhIFZiGv2

This is actually a true 4/4 size. I have been playing on the brand equivalent BBb for years. The price for the condition is decent, if I was looking for a CC this would be it. Good seller as well.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:31 am

If a miraphone 186 is the definition of a 4/4 tuba, and the 186 is based on the cerveny design of this exact instrument, then I would say that this horn is the original 4/4 horn

I saw one go for around $1000 a couple months ago. (same seller) I should have jumped on it myself, but at least a fellow tubenetter got it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sanders-BBb-4-4 ... SwPh5ZGuTQ" target="_blank
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Stryk » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:34 am

groth wrote:This is actually a true 4/4 size.


If you talk PHYSICAL size, which I was, it is between my 184 and 186. If you mean bore size, it is larger than either. It fits in the same Gard bag as my 184 and my 186 is too large to fit in the Amati hard case.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:01 am

Stryk wrote:
groth wrote:This is actually a true 4/4 size.


If you talk PHYSICAL size, which I was, it is between my 184 and 186. If you mean bore size, it is larger than either. It fits in the same Gard bag as my 184 and my 186 is too large to fit in the Amati hard case.


It's a 790-ish bore. The same as a 186
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Re: What a deal!

Postby groth » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:26 am

Terry, the CC and B-flat versions of these horns are both 40 inches tall with a 16-inch Bell. They are also the same width as a 186 across the midsection where the valves are. It's definitely a 4/4.The Valve bore is .795 inches.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby bigtubby » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:52 pm

I own one of these ACB-481 CC's of similar vintage (oval paddles) and agree that they are great playing 4/4 tubas. "Standard" Cerveny 20.2mm bore. From a solid no-BS seller.

If I didn't already own one, this one would have been mine by now.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Stryk » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:05 am

All I am saying is that the horn is not quite as large physically as a 186. The bore is equal or a bit larger, It may be considered comparable, but here is why I say it as I do. The Amati fits in this case perfectly.

184 in Amati case: a couple inches of room at the end and on the sides:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153636433@N04/35711363493/in/album-72157687409168946/

186 in Amati case: Longer than the room in the case and shoved in width wise, but is shoehorned in there:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153636433@N04/36123621490/in/album-72157687409168946/
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Re: What a deal!

Postby groth » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:11 am

Stryk wrote:All I am saying is that the horn is not quite as large physically as a 186. The bore is equal or a bit larger, It may be considered comparable, but here is why I say it as I do. The Amati fits in this case perfectly.

184 in Amati case: a couple inches of room at the end and on the sides:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153636433@N04/35711363493/in/album-72157687409168946/

186 in Amati case: Longer than the room in the case and shoved in width wise, but is shoehorned in there:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/153636433@N04/36123621490/in/album-72157687409168946/

Whose case and horns are those? I had an original Amati-Denak case with the same interior for my horn but the 186 and ABB or ACB 481's all fit perfectly in it. I think they made an actual 3/4 horn at one time and built a case for it but the CC in the auction is for sure a 4/4. Interesting sized case.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby groth » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:21 am

I just measured my BBb Amati Stencil again, it's actually 39 1/4 tall, 16 3/4'' wide across valve section, and 16'' bell. I had seen the CC version like the eBay auction horn in a pawn shop once and remember it was the same dims as the BBb counterpart. Maybe someone could measure that old 186 in the photo? I would be curious to see any differences.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Stryk » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:08 am

groth wrote:Whose case and horns are those? I had an original Amati-Denak case with the same interior for my horn but the 186 and ABB or ACB 481's all fit perfectly in it. I think they made an actual 3/4 horn at one time and built a case for it but the CC in the auction is for sure a 4/4. Interesting sized case.


Those are my horns in my case that came with my Amati. Don't know what else to tell you.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby groth » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:05 pm

Stryk wrote:
groth wrote:Whose case and horns are those? I had an original Amati-Denak case with the same interior for my horn but the 186 and ABB or ACB 481's all fit perfectly in it. I think they made an actual 3/4 horn at one time and built a case for it but the CC in the auction is for sure a 4/4. Interesting sized case.


Those are my horns in my case that came with my Amati. Don't know what else to tell you.

And that case is for the "4/4 Amati CC" that's in your signature? It would seem maybe that eBay horn and yours are the same thing. There was no variation during those earlier years of production. The seller has verified it's a 4/4 sized horn for anyone watching the horn or wanting to know before they purchase it. It is one of the nicest ones I've seen for sure, whoever buys it will be very happy. :tuba:
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Re: What a deal!

Postby bigtubby » Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:02 pm

Like most de facto "standards", x quaters nomenclature is pretty nebulous. Overall length alone is a poor indicator of a tuba's size - a huge EEEb (below BBb) sub bass tuba I once owned was barely 36" tall and I have a bass tuba in F that is a solid 40" long.

A photo of two Cerveny tubas that were built and sold as 4/4 BBb tubas. The one on the bottom is a CBB-481 from c1970s, the top a CBB-681 from c early 2000s. The 481 is around 40-1/2" long overall and the 681 is about 38" overall. The only dimensional difference is in the bell, the newer one shorter and larger diameter. The newer BBb is roughly the same length as the CC *81 models in question.

Notes:
1. Cerveny's model number system is usually three digits. The first is trim level (brass or NS slide legs, etc.) the following two digits are a design or model designation.

2. There was a retooling at the factory (going from hand made bows to hydraulic formed bows, etc.) otherwise, they are virtually identical except for the bells.

As had been mentioned, whoever ends up with this nice CC is going to have a bargain.

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Re: What a deal!

Postby toobagrowl » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:38 am

Yeah, the old Amati 481 or Cerveny 681 is most definitely a 4/4 tuba. Really no debating it. Same size class as countless other 4/4 tubas.

The little 3/4 tubas are Yammy 105, King 1135/1140, etc. Small 'student' tubas you see in middle schools. :idea:
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Re: What a deal!

Postby Stryk » Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:23 am

toobagrowl wrote:Yeah, the old Amati 481 or Cerveny 681 is most definitely a 4/4 tuba. Really no debating it. \


Yep - 4/4 for sure. HOWEVER, it is wrapped a little tighter, is a tad shorter, and is lighter than say a 186. Mine fits in the same case as my 184. As a bonus, IMO it has a larger sound than the 186. Yes, they are Czech, not German, but they are wonderful horns that are very undervalued IMO.
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Re: What a deal!

Postby saxophyte » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:08 pm

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Re: What a deal!

Postby saxophyte » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:11 am

I also have the BBb vesion for sale
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-AMATI-K ... RK:MESE:IT" target="_blank
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