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Postby bloke » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:20 pm

I'm not the seller, and have no idea re: the mechanical condition of this instrument...
...but (briefly, quite a few years ago) I owned one of these.
Think of a 5/4 version of an old-style King 2341...or: "a King 1241 on steroids"...
...a bunch of sound resulting from "regular" effort.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/REYNOLDS-SYMPHONY-BBb-BRASS-BASS-TUBA-W-DETACHABLE-UPRIGHT-BELL-4-Velv/171812067969
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Donn » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:38 pm

Is there a way to tell, how long something has been for sale on ebay? That thing looks mighty familiar, I'm pretty sure it has been there for three years but could be much longer. I remember it because at the time I was interested in this model, though a 3 valve beater would have been my choice.

Wonder why they didn't catch on. I believe plenty of US high school students got a chance to play one. The weird proportions might have something to do with it - either the towering upright bell like this one, or the more common way out front bell, reduced feedback to the player in either case. Do the tubas and sousaphones have the same tenon? I've wondered if that's basically a sousaphone bell, Reynolds' brilliant idea to reduce the number of different bells they had to make.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby hrender » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:40 pm

That particular list (or at least, the pictures) has been up a LONG time in my recollection, likely through several repostings.

As for their lack of popularity, in the past people have listed various possible reasons: large, heavy, tough to balance, and hard to hear (given the distance between player's ears and end of bell). I'd still like to try one sometime.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby TheGoyWonder » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:19 pm

for sale forever...or maybe they keep selling examples refinished to the same standard, and the listing is just a placeholder.
worth the price? who knows b/c most are beat up, depends mostly on grade of refurbishing.
These are heavy like all the other midcentury american tubas of similar build with 6 bows and detachable bell, close to 30 pounds. So you need a tuba rest, and given that the rest of the complaints go away.
They benefit from going to bigger receiver exit bore and a new leadpipe to fit, and still play decently as-is with very-deep mouthpiece to compensate.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby lost » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:48 pm

The weird proportions are because the bell is not original which is prolly why its been up so long.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Ace » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:50 pm

lost wrote:The weird proportions are because the bell is not original which is prolly why its been up so long.


Looks to me that the bell says Reynolds on it. (?)

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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby lost » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Ace wrote:
lost wrote:The weird proportions are because the bell is not original which is prolly why its been up so long.


Looks to me that the bell says Reynolds on it. (?)

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Not at my home pc, but it wouldn't be unheard of for someone to get a custom upright then get it engraved. There are still engravers around who do excellent work. I've included a picture of a more regular size bell. I could be wrong, but i'm going with a gut feeling ... 8)

https://picclick.com/REYNOLDS-BBb-BRASS-TUBA-WITH-UPRIGHT-BELL-COMPLETELY-171163564119.html#&gid=1&pid=2
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Ace » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:08 pm

The Simonetti Historic Tuba Collection has a photo of the Reynolds Contempura BBb tuba, c.1962, that looks like the eBay link that Bloke posted. That confirms that Reynolds did make a tuba with the tall stack. But, I think the photo posted by Lost strongly suggests a revised or later Reynolds BBb. (?)

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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby lost » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:17 pm

Ace wrote:The Simonetti Historic Tuba Collection has a photo of the Reynolds Contempura BBb tuba, c.1962, that looks like the eBay link that Bloke posted. That confirms that Reynolds did make a tuba with the tall stack. But, I think the photo posted by Lost strongly suggests a revised or later Reynolds BBb. (?)

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I'd agree with that theory...post the simonetti link...if it was made in abilene...anything was possible.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby bigtubby » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:27 pm

Regardless original bell and so on, one would be well advised to check out the condition of the valves and casings. Shiny pretty outside but likely worn out school horn on the inside.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby hrender » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:03 pm

If the issue with the bell is the length or the seam, both of those features seem to be native to the big Reynolds (model 175/TB-14).

Good reference: http://contemporacorner.com/other/lowbrass/
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Donn » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:59 pm

Yes, it's the standard upright bell. If someone stuck a non-original bell on there, and had it engraved as if it were factory Reynolds, he made it that tall because that's how tall they were (and he put the bell flare seam ring on it, because they had those.) But likely that tuba already came with the upright bell, as that was not so rare with the 4 valve version.

I guess one would be well advised to check out a tuba like this in person in any case, at $3300, but I expect you'd find that it's in good shape. I don't have experience with this shop, but they're reputable, right?
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby TheGoyWonder » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:18 am

They can look oddly-proportioned in pictures by themselves...maybe illusion due to the eye being drawn to the bell collar or just biased to the center of the image. In context they look fine. maybe parts of it even conform to the Golden Ratio.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby lost » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:43 am

I'll stand corrected. In fact it looks a lot better in that pic goy...
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Donn » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:42 am

I don't think the proportions are so much an esthetic issue, it's just that there are a couple practical down sides, maybe not overwhelming all the reportedly good qualities but enough that you'd have to wonder what possessed them to do it. One being the diminished sound coming back to the player, that's a complaint I've seen from someone who had played one with an upright bell. Just guessing, another might be a sort of balance issue that puts a limit on the positions. My tuba pushed the scale to 34 lbs this morning, but it's easy to hold however - sideways, upright, anything in between - because it isn't so top heavy. The valve block on this Reynolds looks like it wants you to hold it more sideways, but the bell seems to be saying no.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby hrender » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:46 pm

I recall on a previous thread someone saying they knew someone who put a fixed Alex bell on a Reynolds. Assuming the bell length was close enough to not unduly affect pitch, that could be a very worthwhile change.

I have to say I hate the seam on the regular-issue Reynolds bell.

Edit: found the old thread.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby TheGoyWonder » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:25 pm

not-great ergonomics, not-terrible either. better than a top-action. More lean would help the right hand angle, but its happy-place is just a slight lean.

Hearing myself has never been an issue, although it is easier to hear other instruments than with a stubby-bell type. Handy when clarinets are 60 ft away or there's a snare drum beating way off in a corner.

Retrofit bell would be difficult b/c nothing else stays fat all the way down to the tail end of the bell. You'd have to look at large 5/4 or near 6/4 bells and see if some diameter exists they can both be cut to close lengths. The retrofit would be fatter and thus could be a little shorter.
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby bloke » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:09 am

original post about the sound, and all following about looks/weight/size/balance/genuine parts/authenticity of listing/etc. :lol:
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Re: big 4-valve Reynolds

Postby Donn » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:21 am

... from someone who briefly owned one ... must have been taken away by force, eh?
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