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pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby bloke » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:09 am

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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby LCTuba89 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:21 pm

Unless you're prepared for an extremely flat 5th and 8th partial, I would not pay that amount of money. I've played the horn and it needs dent work, especially in the lead pipe.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby bort » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:30 pm

Dillon's has one too... wonder if it's any better?

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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby Donn » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:26 pm

It's different, for sure. Hmmm. I should have noticed it earlier - the ebay instrument has a sideways main tuning slide, like 186 etc. 190 was lengthwise - mine was if I remember right, and I see this cited as a distinctive 190 feature elsewhere. And that Dillon instrument likewise - the proportions seem off to me, but I really don't remember that well. So ... what is that ebay tuba? They wouldn't make major changes like that and keep the same model number, would they?

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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby LCTuba89 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:34 pm

If it's not a 190 then I don't know what it is. All I can tell you is that it dwarfs my 2155R and that's not a small tuba either. It's definitely in the same size class as a large Cerveny. It's easy to hold though, you don't need to put it on the chair to reach the lead pipe and the slides are easy to access.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby TheGoyWonder » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:59 pm

LCTuba89 wrote:Unless you're prepared for an extremely flat 5th and 8th partial, I would not pay that amount of money. I've played the horn and it needs dent work, especially in the lead pipe.


Sounds like praising with faint damning...useless 5th partial, and a pocket of goofy high notes needing alt fingering, is a given with most rotary tubas anyways. how flat is 2nd partial/low BBb, that's the real danger with this family of tubas.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby LCTuba89 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:28 am

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LCTuba89 wrote:Unless you're prepared for an extremely flat 5th and 8th partial, I would not pay that amount of money. I've played the horn and it needs dent work, especially in the lead pipe.


Sounds like praising with faint damning...useless 5th partial, and a pocket of goofy high notes needing alt fingering, is a given with most rotary tubas anyways. how flat is 2nd partial/low BBb, that's the real danger with this family of tubas.


Honestly, the 2nd partial Bb was very close in-tune. Every partial on that horn was solid except the ones mentioned. I didn't go above the 8th partial to test those notes, but I'm pretty sure they need alternates as well.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby Tabor » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:06 am

Could this be a BAT Cerveny with a Mirafone 190 bell? A lot of it does look like Mirafone, but there are some braces and things about it that look a bit like Cerveny.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby hrender » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:43 pm

If you can pull those two partials into tune with alternate fingerings and a little slide work, that's not a deal-breaker. A bigger deal (imo) would be the condition of the valves and any needed dent work, although dent work on the leadpipe might help the intonation for all I know.

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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby Dan Tuba » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:37 pm

The owner quoted me $4000 for the tuba if all dents removed, valves cleaned, aligned, new bumpers, etc.
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Re: pre-Siegfried BAT

Postby toobagrowl » Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:11 pm

Tabor wrote:Could this be a BAT Cerveny with a Mirafone 190 bell? A lot of it does look like Mirafone, but there are some braces and things about it that look a bit like Cerveny.


Dunno about a Cerveny, but the body of the tuba does look different. The rotary section with it's nylon sockets and, of course the bell, scream Mirafone. But the two-piece nickle-silver leadpipe and the wrap and taper of the outer bows (to me) scream vintage B&M or Meinl/Melton. And I think there have been some older B&M tubas with that type of bracing :?: :idea:
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