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York project

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:57 pm
by humBell

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:26 am
by YORK-aholic
humBell wrote:What do ya make of it?


I'd make a lamp or a planter out of it. :-)


kidding...

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:40 am
by The Big Ben
With perhaps a King 2341 valve cluster and slides, this could be made into a useful tuba. Or, if the price doesn't go up much higher, a good project for an apprentice/student repair tech. Lots of dents to take out, lots of buffing to do, lots of bits and pieces to be made. It could be restored to a 3v or get a 2341 valve set and turn it into something useful. Learn while doing. (A few years ago, I sold a very dented 20J to a young guy who said he had an apprenticeship and wanted something to work on. I sold it at a price he could afford and he sent me a photo of it broken down into its constituent pieces on the floor. To me, it was a 30/70 bet it wouldn't get put back together. It would be in a closet gathering dust or sold to someone else who wants to fix it. But, the fellow kept chipping away at it and sent me a couple of pictures two years later and it was in good shape, all the dents were gone and it was shiny raw brass. So, some people do finish their projects.)

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:49 pm
by Tubajug
Is that the same model people swipe the bells off of or is it bigger? Maybe it's the pictures, but the bell throat and bottom bow look fatter than the ones people use for their project horns.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 2:18 pm
by Ken Crawford
Already at $760 with 6 days to go. It's going to get crazy...I mean crazier.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:03 pm
by roweenie
It looks like the 4/4 - .656 version York (Model 33?)

The 6/4 (model 91) has a completely different branch wrap.

At $760, it's already beyond what I would think is a good deal, but hey, what the heck?

Re: York project

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:00 am
by YORK-aholic
roweenie wrote:It looks like the 4/4 - .656 version York (Model 33?)
The 6/4 (model 91) has a completely different branch wrap.


I was under the impression that the 4/4 .656 Model 33 had the loop in the 3rd valve tubing at the bottom (closest to the bottom bow) while the 6/4 Model 91 had it up top, as this one does.

One could ask the seller what the bell diameter is. 22" goes with the Model 91, 20" with the Model 33.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:02 am
by the elephant
Currently at about $1250 with over five days left. This should be pure entertainment to watch to the end. I may tune in to see someone screw themselves royally, heh, heh...

Bets? (non-monetary)

I am going to say that the "winner" will have his wallet lightened by about $2,500.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:51 am
by roweenie
YORK-aholic wrote:
roweenie wrote:It looks like the 4/4 - .656 version York (Model 33?)
The 6/4 (model 91) has a completely different branch wrap.


I was under the impression that the 4/4 .656 Model 33 had the loop in the 3rd valve tubing at the bottom (closest to the bottom bow) while the 6/4 Model 91 had it up top, as this one does.

One could ask the seller what the bell diameter is. 22" goes with the Model 91, 20" with the Model 33.


I'm referring to the bugle's branches. The 91 has its 3rd branch pass under the top bow, from behind to front. This one appears to have it in front of the top bow in its entirety. However, OTOH, the ferrules are consistent with the .750 bore horns (the smaller bore horns usually had "hourglass" shaped ones), but that may have changed at one time, too.

Bell diameter would settle it once and for all....

Bidding is now up to $1,234.56 - very cute....

Re: York project

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:03 pm
by YORK-aholic
Yes, something is a bit weird with that bow. The valveset looks to me to be from a model 91. The Model 33 was as I described and even the 700 series had the loop down low.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:54 pm
by Mike Ferries
I was interested, but as I have sent the seller two messages, and have received no reply, I will pass.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:32 pm
by bigtubby
Wow I'm thinking that next time I have an old beat tuba to sell, I will take it apart first. :P

Re: York project

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:09 pm
by sushi20j
bigtubby wrote:Wow I'm thinking that next time I have an old beat tuba to sell, I will take it apart first. :P


No kidding! Went for $1700.

Re: York project

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:24 am
by bloke
reasons I didn't pick it up:

(yes, it is a 6/4 with a 6" diameter at the small-end of the bell, and JP CC valveset would have defined this as a relatively easy job)
- 22" bell diameter
- undesirable wrap (large gap between the small lower bow and the large lower bow...i.e. already has the undesirable-to-me layout of one of those Milwaukee "cut-downs")
- heavily buffed
- astonishingly high quality, playing characteristics, and low pricing of the Eastman 836 (a no, I'm not an Eastman dealer), which runs down the value of "project" instruments such as this would have been.
- I would have been fixing this up to sell it - as I'm not interested in owning any 6/4 tubas, and I just don't like getting involved in others' "projects"...and - being something that would be sold - it would, defacto, have been "someone's else project".