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Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:47 am
by groth
This ad was more comical than anything ($12,229 retail value for an "older 2341") and $7000 "street price". :roll: :lol: (Asking price of auction is lower for the record but his description is bogus).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEAN-KING-234 ... 0290.m3507" target="_blank

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:20 pm
by the elephant
It says $3250.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:36 pm
by groth
the elephant wrote:It says $3250.


Read Description in the Auction...

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:37 pm
by the elephant
Regardless of his BS, the price is still a fair one, if not great, so long as the valves are in good shape. My point is about your post and not his. By not posting the actual price your post sends people to that auction thinking that he is actually asking for $7,250 for the thing, which he is not.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:19 pm
by groth
Edited. Is that more clear?

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:04 pm
by Mark Finley
Still wondering in what universe a king 2341 (new or old) is worth 12k

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:04 pm
by roweenie
Well, whatever it is, the "suggested retail price" is worthless information - since that model is no longer in production, you can't buy it new at any price. I don't even know if Conn-Selmer would agree to make a new one, custom ordered.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:39 pm
by KiltieTuba
Kevin doesn't work there anymore, so I guess they may not know exactly what they're talking about.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:29 pm
by tofu
Not sure I'd have the faith to suspend the body of the horn using the thumb ring.

While the actual ask price is reasonable assuming good valves and that they haven't buffed the heck out of the thing to make it all shiny again - it is a misleading add to suggest that in any universe there is a suggested list of $12,000 or a street price of $7250 - especially for a no longer in production & used horn. I expect a business in the business of selling new and refurbished instruments to pay a little more attention to truth in advertising and so would the courts.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:03 pm
by bigtubby
Out of idle curiosity, does this fall under the "Please No eBay Scandal Posts"?

Asking for a friend.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:10 pm
by bort
Yeah, no kidding... hanging from the thumb ring? Looks like some kind of tuba torture chamber.

Also, why not just wait until the relacquer photos are ready?

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:45 am
by groth
bigtubby wrote:Out of idle curiosity, does this fall under the "Please No eBay Scandal Posts"?

Asking for a friend.

No, because the seller is a real seller and the actual asking price is a real "legit?" price. The first paragraph was what I wanted to bring attention to about his claims on how much these horns go for "elsewhere" wherever that might be.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:48 pm
by The Big Ben
the elephant wrote:It says $3250.


12/26 Now $2850

They didn't post the best pictures but...

Regardless of the other price doodoo posted, if it is fully restored and lacquered as they say, $2850 might be a good price.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:52 pm
by Mark
The Big Ben wrote:Regardless of the other price doodoo posted, if it is fully restored and lacquered as they say, $2850 might be a good price.


They are a legitmate seller and the price is probably a good price, but the suggestion that $12,299 is a fair retail price makes the entire posting suspect.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:59 pm
by bort
MSRP for a new 2341 in silver matches their statement... and new price for lacquer is close to their statement. Of course, this is for the new model 2341, not the old one.

https://www.musicarts.com/King-2341W-Se ... 618831.mac" target="_blank

Not like any of this really matters, and MSRP isn't particularly useful for very much. Probably a good tuba, as long as it didn't have to go through a ton of work to get ready for relacqering. Is 2850 a good deal? I don't know. Someone will probably buy it.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:15 pm
by lost
Thanks for posting that link bort. We shouldn't drag ebay sellers through the mud, especially ones we already know are reputable.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:08 pm
by toobagrowl
bort wrote:Is 2850 a good deal? I don't know. Someone will probably buy it.


$2,850 is a good deal for this refurbished tuba + cases. The seller is good and legit; I bought a tuba from them years ago.....
I'd take this older, tall detachable-bell 2341 over the newer, squat fixed bell King 2341 anyday :!:

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:05 pm
by groth
lost wrote:Thanks for posting that link bort. We shouldn't drag ebay sellers through the mud, especially ones we already know are reputable.

No one is "dragging" anyone through the mud. We (some of us) are just interested in keeping honest sellers, honest. The only reason he was fluffing the numbers was likely to add more intrinsic value to the OLDER model 2341 by posting non-relevant and incorrect prices (even for the new model) so that the unsuspecting buyer may think he was getting a great deal at $3,250 then. Now with the horn being $2,850 with all that is mentioned is a decent deal, never had any question that his asking prices were out in left field, just his description (which was dishonest) to randomly use strange astronomical numbers in an auction for an older model horn that is a refurb.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:46 am
by edsel585960
Wichita Band is a reputable dealer. That is a good price for that particular horn.

Re: Refurbished King 2341

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:04 pm
by EdFirth
I agree with Edsel, there have been at least 10 of theses sold at BB and Dillon's in the last year for right around that price, give or take for condition, what bell or bells they come with, and cases. And consider the choices at those two shops for comparison. they hold their own and I have been playing on Kings since 1982 with very good results in all the venues that get talked about on here. Although, admittedly, the MSRP in the ad is somewhat exaggerated the ending price is right in the ballpark assuming that it's been overhauled properly.Ed