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Kanstul Project Horns

Postby KiltieTuba » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:53 am

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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby hrender » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:42 pm

Saw this one. The one in the case doesn't look like any of the current models so far as I can tell. Interesting wrap.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby SousaWarrior9 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:05 am

Looks like a flying tuba prototype possibly.
Anyone know of a bell flare that could fit that?
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby KiltieTuba » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:20 pm

10J probably.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby Tubajug » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:37 pm

Lots of "curly cues" on that travel horn.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby Gus_Pratt » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:14 am

Well I took the plunge and bought just the BBb in the case. Although you can not clearly see from the photo, it is actually a 5 valver. 4 pistons, 1 rotary.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby bort » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:20 am

If it's good enough for Kanstul, it's good enough for me! Oh wait... :P
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby hrender » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:54 am

Gus_Pratt wrote:Well I took the plunge and bought just the BBb in the case. Although you can not clearly see from the photo, it is actually a 5 valver. 4 pistons, 1 rotary.


Find a bell that works, and you could have a very cool horn for not much money.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby SousaWarrior9 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:54 am

Gus_Pratt wrote:Well I took the plunge and bought just the BBb in the case. Although you can not clearly see from the photo, it is actually a 5 valver. 4 pistons, 1 rotary.


Argh! I second guessed myself and hesitated on making an offer on this. That's what I get, I guess. Congrats on snatching it up, though, Good luck on finding a good bell.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:24 am

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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:18 pm



Man that is cheap! That’s, what, a tenth of the normal price?
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby hrender » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:19 pm

No clue about the CC flying horn. I assume it's based on the same idea as Baadsvik's travel tuba.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby tubazach07 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:21 am

I am very familiar with the Kanstul flying tuba. They are a good idea in that they fly well(not under overweight charges) but their intonation is terrible. The tuba doesn’t play in tune with its self let alone other instruments. Myself and other tuba players have to use fingerings and slide pulling that no other tuba player should ever use. I took the tuba to a professional repair man who has built prototypes for Kanstul and he told them everything they needed to do to fix the tuba. There was talk about Kanstul redesigning the flying tuba. This tuba could of been a money maker but it is a complete flop. We have replaced the 4 flying tubas with Yamaha 3/4 CC tubas that practically play themselves.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:39 am

tubazach07 wrote:I am very familiar with the Kanstul flying tuba. They are a good idea in that they fly well(not under overweight charges) but their intonation is terrible. The tuba doesn’t play in tune with its self let alone other instruments. Myself and other tuba players have to use fingerings and slide pulling that no other tuba player should ever use. I took the tuba to a professional repair man who has built prototypes for Kanstul and he told them everything they needed to do to fix the tuba. There was talk about Kanstul redesigning the flying tuba. This tuba could of been a money maker but it is a complete flop. We have replaced the 4 flying tubas with Yamaha 3/4 CC tubas that practically play themselves.


Are all these posts about the same tuba?

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ArnoldGottlieb wrote:I went to the factory in April when I was playing in L.A. My overall impression is that they are amazing instruments. I think they don't get the tuba numbers because they are really bad at advertising, and are not very interested in giving horns to people for free. And L.A. certainly has a number of players who are getting free instruments from certain manufacturers. I also know that they sell lots of marching instruments. I thought that their valves were incredible. I was playing a BBb tuba on the road so that's where my 'tuba ears' were at that point. I played the big BBb, it lined up amazingly well on the tuner, except the 'G' first line, but a pull fixed that. The smaller BBb was great too. I liked the CC's and I thought they were really great on the tuner also. My favorite horn was their travel tuba. The bell unscrews and the entire instrument fits into a suitcase. It's a bit bigger than a Yamaha 621 and responds and sounds amazing, both the CC and BBb, although they had kind of cobbled the BBb prototype together so I could play it, they were both fantastic. I don't own one only because as I'm slowing down my road career, I'm not sure what equipment I will need for my 'less road' career, but when I figure that out, I'm going to return to the Kanstul factory and choose accordingly.

I agree with this. I played the CC travel tuba before it was even in production and sitting on the hard floor next to someone's bench. It was the ugliest contraption but it played amazingly accurate and hit pedal tones that were earthshaking and in tune.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby SousaWarrior9 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:32 am

Looks like Kanstul has indeed fallen on hard times, as they announced today that they're halting all production 'til further notice.
I hope this is just temporary while they get back on their feet again, and not the end of the company.

P.S. I did manage to get that F tuba bugle, so I'll keep everyone posted on the ensuing frankenhorn project.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby KiltieTuba » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:10 pm

Ouch. Perhaps the massive influx of cheap Chinese instruments is hitting them too hard.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby roweenie » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:25 am

KiltieTuba wrote:Ouch. Perhaps the massive influx of cheap Chinese instruments is hitting them too hard.


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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby bububassboner » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:11 am

roweenie wrote:
KiltieTuba wrote:Ouch. Perhaps the massive influx of cheap Chinese instruments is hitting them too hard.


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Unfortunately I think this is more a problem with upper management. I remember thinking when the son took over running the factory that he would drive it into the ground. Before then it was so easy to do business with kanstul. I could ask for a quote and get a price back that day and get things rolling. That changed real hard when the son took over. I remember thinking things were gonna go this way back in 2012. Other shops and old vendors may tell you something similar. It’s a damn shame really. While I think the tubas had a lot of cost saving issues that messed with a good product their trombones were great. Hopefully there’s some kind of behind door deal going on that we don’t know of yet that’ll end in a happy ending there.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:11 am

Here are the clips from 2017 and 2018 NAMM with BBb flying tuba, they also mention that Beth Mitchell started the concept and she played CC version.

https://youtu.be/7ft5x_p7_uw
https://youtu.be/tCaXvlEnRHY

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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby roweenie » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:57 am

bububassboner wrote:Unfortunately I think this is more a problem with upper management


Why would upper management have to implement "cost-saving" measures? Likely because of the impossibility of competing with the flood of inexpensive imported tubas introduced on our market.

I think the tubas had a lot of cost saving issues that messed with a good product


Management's actions were, in point of fact a reaction, likely a last-ditch effort, taken by the son to stay competitive.

It’s a damn shame really


On this, I could not agree with you more.
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