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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby ArnoldGottlieb » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:41 am

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tubazach07 wrote:I am very familiar with the Kanstul flying tuba. They are a good idea in that they fly well(not under overweight charges) but their intonation is terrible. The tuba doesn’t play in tune with its self let alone other instruments. Myself and other tuba players have to use fingerings and slide pulling that no other tuba player should ever use. I took the tuba to a professional repair man who has built prototypes for Kanstul and he told them everything they needed to do to fix the tuba. There was talk about Kanstul redesigning the flying tuba. This tuba could of been a money maker but it is a complete flop. We have replaced the 4 flying tubas with Yamaha 3/4 CC tubas that practically play themselves.


Are all these posts about the same tuba?

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ArnoldGottlieb wrote:I went to the factory in April when I was playing in L.A. My overall impression is that they are amazing instruments. I think they don't get the tuba numbers because they are really bad at advertising, and are not very interested in giving horns to people for free. And L.A. certainly has a number of players who are getting free instruments from certain manufacturers. I also know that they sell lots of marching instruments. I thought that their valves were incredible. I was playing a BBb tuba on the road so that's where my 'tuba ears' were at that point. I played the big BBb, it lined up amazingly well on the tuner, except the 'G' first line, but a pull fixed that. The smaller BBb was great too. I liked the CC's and I thought they were really great on the tuner also. My favorite horn was their travel tuba. The bell unscrews and the entire instrument fits into a suitcase. It's a bit bigger than a Yamaha 621 and responds and sounds amazing, both the CC and BBb, although they had kind of cobbled the BBb prototype together so I could play it, they were both fantastic. I don't own one only because as I'm slowing down my road career, I'm not sure what equipment I will need for my 'less road' career, but when I figure that out, I'm going to return to the Kanstul factory and choose accordingly.

I agree with this. I played the CC travel tuba before it was even in production and sitting on the hard floor next to someone's bench. It was the ugliest contraption but it played amazingly accurate and hit pedal tones that were earthshaking and in tune.


Absolutely!!
I’ve had some conversations with others about this horn. The story that we’ve all cobbled together is that the flying tuba prototype has nothing to do with the flying tubas that we’re put into production. I’d still pay retail for the travel tuba prototype if I needed it, but I’m a happy mostly sousaphone player right now. Hope that helps!
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby AaronC1901 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:05 pm

Somebody bought that tuba for really cheap from Kanstul and is now reselling it.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby groth » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:42 pm

AaronC1901 wrote:Somebody bought that tuba for really cheap from Kanstul and is now reselling it.

Not that cheap..he's not going to be making any profit off that. If anything, breaking even at best.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:52 pm

If it’s the same as sold by Kanstul on eBay he can make some $$$, that one sold for $1,000.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby groth » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:12 am

sugawi wrote:If it’s the same as sold by Kanstul on eBay he can make some $$$, that one sold for $1,000.

A recent visit to the factory and there was only 1 of these available for sale. Their asking price was in the $3000 range cash. Sometimes eBay listings that show “best offer received” don’t show nearly the price agreed upon by the seller to the public browsing the ad. Kanstul would never let this horn go for $1000 or I would have gotten it.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:55 pm

If someone is interested in more info on flying C tuba send me a PM.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby groth » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:43 pm

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The guy who bought the "$1500" one also spent more than the visible price (the one without the bell). Like I said, in person their asking price was >$3000. An offer was made and I promise they didn't let it go for as cheap as you think. The horn played "ok" because it was one of their early prototypes and was very pitchy.
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:59 pm

If someone has too much time on their hands here is discussion on Kanstul situation...
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149784&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby groth » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:24 am

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Well, I just telling the way it was when I was negotiating with them. They listed as auction starting at $1250 with option to send the offer. I sent them offer for $1000, they sent counter offer for $1,350. Plus shipping/handling it was around $1,550. It was for complete horn with bell, not sure about cases. Any company that price their product at MSRP of close to $15,000 and willing to let it go for less than 10% of that must be facing some tough times, or maybe something particular about this horn that they’re willing to sell that cheap. My problem with this horn wasn’t even that, it just not what I needed though the price was ridiculously cheap.[/quote]
Well, they 'are' going out of business. So if that is true, it doesn't surprise me. Their production shop was nearly empty in the middle of the day (no employees but Troy left on that side of it), and all their machines were for sale as well. They are just liquidating everything. Good job China, you win apparently. :x
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby sugawi » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:25 am

They also had or still have some kind of a blowout sale advertised via Facebook some time ago...
http://www.kanstul.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/kanstul-blowout-pricelist.pdf
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby groth » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:07 am

Those will probably all go to schools, sad to see such a liquidation. I knew after the old man passed, this might happen. Perfect storm of new Chinese horns hitting the market for less plus that..
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Re: Kanstul Project Horns

Postby YORK-aholic » Fri May 10, 2019 8:07 am

groth wrote:They are just liquidating everythingI. Good job China, you win apparently. :x


Not to mention, when drum corps switched from GG to Bb/F horns, Kanstul went from THE manufacturer to having to compete with the likes of Yamaha and King who, being much bigger, could offer financing and other things Kanstul couldn’t.
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