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Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:18 pm
by shinytuba7

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:54 pm
by anotherjtm2
It's had the original valve linkages replaced?

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:03 pm
by bort
Doesn't look like it. These are fun tubas. Small by today's standards... but they play well and sound nice. The Miraphone heroes of yesteryear all sounded great on these.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:01 am
by ckalaher1
Really fun, nice tubas. The ones I have played were like F tubas trapped in a CC tuba body.

Looks like it's in pretty nice shape. If it's a nice player, $3300 is a really fair price.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:21 pm
by groovlow
Looks like a 184 CC
See the curved tube between rotor 4 and spit-valve.
I recall a simple 90* turn to MTS on a185 :?:

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:40 pm
by bloke
groovlow wrote:Looks like a 184 CC
See the curved tube between rotor 4 and spit-valve.
I recall a simple 90* turn to MTS on a185 :?:


I'm not a 185 authority (I've bought/sold ONE 185 Bb, and remember seeing several of the 185 C tubas back in the 1970's, when I was around several Tennessee Tech tuba students), but I've seen various 184 tubas - both with shepherd's crooks and simple bends - on the part you identify.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:01 pm
by Casca Grossa
I used to have one of these. It is the only horn I ever regret letting go. Best tuba I have ever played. It is small but intonation was incredible and very agile. I played it on several auditions and was offered the job every time. Loved that horn. It sucked being young and broke. Now I'm old and slightly less broke.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:31 am
by shinytuba7
Anyone have any idea what type of gig bag would fit this horn? Would the Eb/F Miraphone bag fit this? I know Altieri isn't making bags right now for tubas, at least according to their website. And the Cronkhite bag may be the template for the slightly larger, newer version.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:35 am
by tofu
shinytuba7 wrote:Anyone have any idea what type of gig bag would fit this horn? Would the Eb/F Miraphone bag fit this? I know Altieri isn't making bags right now for tubas, at least according to their website. And the Cronkhite bag may be the template for the slightly larger, newer version.


When you find out let me know!

These are really tall tubas (taller than a 186) and the bell of this vintage is 14 7/8 inches and the body is much narrower than a 186. So when you do find a tall enough bag the horn will swim in it. Cronkhite did have a pattern for it so I assume the current operation could make you a copy and my guess is that is Glenns old pattern from back in the day with the old horn. I could use a new bag for my '69 and have debated between getting another Cronkhite or getting one made by the guys in Cinncy whose name escapes currently.

Did you buy the horn in MN? It looks like it has been well taken care of and if it plays as well as it looks - that is a very fair price.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:20 pm
by shinytuba7
tofu wrote:When you find out let me know!

These are really tall tubas (taller than a 186) and the bell of this vintage is 14 7/8 inches and the body is much narrower than a 186. So when you do find a tall enough bag the horn will swim in it. Cronkhite did have a pattern for it so I assume the current operation could make you a copy and my guess is that is Glenns old pattern from back in the day with the old horn. I could use a new bag for my '69 and have debated between getting another Cronkhite or getting one made by the guys in Cinncy whose name escapes currently.

Did you buy the horn in MN? It looks like it has been well taken care of and if it plays as well as it looks - that is a very fair price.


I am strongly considering it. And I was thinking that the Eb/F Miraphone might fit. We will have to see what the actual measurements are when I hear back. I also sent an email to Cronkhite to hear what the actual measurements are for the case. I'll post what I find here, as it could be useful to people in the future.

Also, if you think of the name of that company, feel free to mention it.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:28 am
by tofu
shinytuba7 wrote:
tofu wrote:When you find out let me know!

These are really tall tubas (taller than a 186) and the bell of this vintage is 14 7/8 inches and the body is much narrower than a 186. So when you do find a tall enough bag the horn will swim in it. Cronkhite did have a pattern for it so I assume the current operation could make you a copy and my guess is that is Glenns old pattern from back in the day with the old horn. I could use a new bag for my '69 and have debated between getting another Cronkhite or getting one made by the guys in Cinncy whose name escapes currently.

Did you buy the horn in MN? It looks like it has been well taken care of and if it plays as well as it looks - that is a very fair price.


I am strongly considering it. And I was thinking that the Eb/F Miraphone might fit. We will have to see what the actual measurements are when I hear back. I also sent an email to Cronkhite to hear what the actual measurements are for the case. I'll post what I find here, as it could be useful to people in the future.

Also, if you think of the name of that company, feel free to mention it.


Messina Covers - they will custom make the bag to fit the horn. I seem to that recall Miraphone has two Eb/F bags. One was pretty close, but not quite tall enough.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:35 pm
by roughrider
Messina Covers now based in Louisville, KY. They can be found on the web or on facebook as well.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 7:16 pm
by shinytuba7
This horn is officially mine. I am a bit excited. As for what I am using for a case, I am using one of the Grotz bags that you can get on eBay. The horn definitely swims, but not as much as you would think. Any questions?

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:12 pm
by The Big Ben
shinytuba7 wrote:This horn is officially mine. I am a bit excited. As for what I am using for a case, I am using one of the Grotz bags that you can get on eBay. The horn definitely swims, but not as much as you would think. Any questions?


Did you go for the flight case, too? Adding $200 for the case sounds like a good deal.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:15 pm
by shinytuba7
The Big Ben wrote:
shinytuba7 wrote:This horn is officially mine. I am a bit excited. As for what I am using for a case, I am using one of the Grotz bags that you can get on eBay. The horn definitely swims, but not as much as you would think. Any questions?


Did you go for the flight case, too? Adding $200 for the case sounds like a good deal.


I did not. My car cannot fit it and living in an apartment means I would lose so much space to it. I just don't have a use for it. The guy might want to sell it if anyone is interested.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:58 pm
by bort
Congrats, and again sorry that we couldn't meet while you were here!

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 9:56 pm
by shinytuba7
bort wrote:Congrats, and again sorry that we couldn't meet while you were here!


No worries! Having kids is a full time job from what people tell me.

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:37 am
by bort
How is the tuba working out for you?

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:51 am
by shinytuba7
bort wrote:How is the tuba working out for you?


I'm actually enjoying it quiet a bit. It is more compact in every way than my last horn (Obviously!) and so much lighter (again, Obviously!!!). Also, I forgot how much I enjoyed playing a rotor CC tuba. And the 2 whole-step 5th valve is a welcome change and I am enjoying the valve combinations in the low register with this setup more than the standard flat whole-step from what I remember. Also, the horn blends so much better with the trombones and euphoniums. Also, it has a much better scale than my Rudy 3/4 CC ever had. All the notes on this horn, when I crack one or miss one entirely, are my fault and not anything to do with how the horn is setup, which I felt were problems that my Rudy had. But probably still user error. Either way, it's just a more pleasant experience overall for me.

I have only been able to take it to 2 rehearsals so far, but the conductor did not say anything to me, so either he doesn't care or doesn't mind the change. He wouldn't have a say in it anyways unless the group I am in were to buy my 36J, not that will never happen. And I'll have some more rehearsals and concerts in the coming weeks that I'll be able to stretch my legs a bit more with it and see what it can do. I'll be the only tuba for a larger band soon, so we'll see how that goes as well!

Re: Mirafone 185 - Craigslist

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:34 am
by bloke
The only RM C tubas that I've encountered that were easy to play in-tune (unexpectedly, but absolutely) have been some of the 5/4 (defacto 6/4) ones, and - parenthetically - the #2 slide trigger is a prerequisite to me agreeing with the statement made in this sentence.
To me, the 4/4 (defacto 5/4) offer the most challenging scale, with the 3/4 (defacto 4/4) being someone challenging but easier than 4/4. There were some older RM 4/4 C tubas that more resembled the look of the 3/4 C and 5/4 C (lower upper bow) and - typically - outfitted with a bell kranz, but I have never played one of those.

Over the years, Miraphone has made all three standard models in both Bb and C - 184, 185, 186 - more consistently easy to play in tune, with much older instruments (particularly, everything other than 186 Bb) being hit-and-miss (yes: with quite a few "hit", but some "miss") in the "easy good intonation" department.

bloke "an 'intonation characteristics above all other characteristics' - in my personal selection of instruments - person"