Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:51 am
It looks beautiful.
But the location of the bell engraving is really strange. Like the bell flare was clocked over when assembled.
Are these horns related to Yorks?
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Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:52 am
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:04 pm
Does look Yorkish, doesn't it?
I think i have seen 40s Keefer Eb sousaphone that at least to my dubious memory wasn' dissimilar.
It had a much larger bell than i felt it should, and it had the loop in the 3rd valve circuit, which seems very unusual for Eb
I think i have seen 40s Keefer Eb sousaphone that at least to my dubious memory wasn' dissimilar.
It had a much larger bell than i felt it should, and it had the loop in the 3rd valve circuit, which seems very unusual for Eb
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:51 pm
Looks a _LOT_ like my c1925 York Helicon.
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:54 pm
Thanks for posting a picture to compare.
Seems like a very close match.
And as i remember the Eb, it still had the Keefer style leadpipe, just needing something akin to long bits. Rather than a goose neck.
If we care, we can ask seller about marks on valves.
Seems like a very close match.
And as i remember the Eb, it still had the Keefer style leadpipe, just needing something akin to long bits. Rather than a goose neck.
If we care, we can ask seller about marks on valves.
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:06 pm
I think it's likely a stencil, as I don't believe there's any direct connection between the two companies.
The top piston caps, ferrules, and what I can see from the bracing all look like York manufacture to me.
The top piston caps, ferrules, and what I can see from the bracing all look like York manufacture to me.
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:29 pm
I've seen a catalogue listing one of these things. If I can find the page I'll post it
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:01 pm
As I suspected, a York stencil.
Then again, it is a sousaphone, so there is an outside possibility that the bell alone is Keefer, while the body is most definitely York manufacture.
Paul, did you find that Keefer catalogue?
Then again, it is a sousaphone, so there is an outside possibility that the bell alone is Keefer, while the body is most definitely York manufacture.
Paul, did you find that Keefer catalogue?
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:29 am
Yes, I have. They called this a Wagnerphone. If you go to Dave Detwiler's great site you'll find this horn as you scroll down. Based in Williamsport, PA, apparently. Oddly, the ad heralds a bell-up instrument! Made in "Monster and Pony Sizes", (first I've heard of the term "Pony Size"!).
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Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:31 pm
“Pony Size” is a 7oz bottle of Rolling Rock where I come from!!
Re: Keefer Sousaphone
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:16 pm
I did aak seller about valve markings, but didn't get a response.humBell wrote:Thanks for posting a picture to compare.
Seems like a very close match.
And as i remember the Eb, it still had the Keefer style leadpipe, just needing something akin to long bits. Rather than a goose neck.
If we care, we can ask seller about marks on valves.
And as promised, i dredged up a picture of what believe to be a 40s era Keefer Eb sousa.
Not like older Keefers with the valve block rotated and circuits going up, so they migh have had atencils or contracted out parts? As i said this still has the Older Keefer style leadpupe...
Anyway, more food for discussion.