Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:46 pm
GL
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 7:21 pm
What I also like is that it took two of them to get there. The second highest bidder was the real winner.
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 7:27 pm
Is there any way that thing could be made playable? After using it for a planter I have to imagine that a lot of the metal is pretty much shot, as evidenced by what appears to be a large crack along the back of the bell. A 4 valve York BAT like this could be worth this much, but only if it was playable. At least it looks like all of the pieces are there.
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:47 pm
GL
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 11:59 pm
Who cares? It's his money! I wouldn't have paid that for it but on the other hand, I've done some pretty stupid stuff, too.bbtubaman wrote:Here is an email from the guy that bought it.He honestly thinks he can get $6000 for it with $1000 in repairs and paying $2250 for it. He thinks it is a one of a kind worth a fortune York.I'm a repair guy and know EXACTLY what that horn is worth. I don't care if it was used as a catbox. I can't find anyone that has ever seen one of those before. It is going to need about $1,000.00 in repairs and will sell for about $6,000.00. Look at the plating - there is a tear in the bell which can be repaired. Remember that this is a quality product - not some Chinese piece of ****. Look for it back on Ebay in about a year.
Personally I think the guy is unrealistic and expecially for a repairman.
to me if you are going to do this u buy low as u can and then do the repairs and try to make a reasonable dollar. to me he bought way to high.
The other bidder may have been a friend of the guy selling it as well and just trying to get the bid up for him.
If anyone wants his email i have it.
Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 10:43 am
The second bidder is a collector to whom I have sold a number of things. I believe that he was just looking to buy something that was particularly unique and went a little too far in his bidding. They both must have wanted it pretty badly because the last 7 bids were placed in the last minute or so.bbtubaman wrote: ... The other bidder may have been a friend of the guy selling it as well and just trying to get the bid up for him.
If anyone wants his email i have it.
I would be concerned about the condition of the metal. I think that the person who emailed you about it is making a pretty big assumption that the metal will be in any shape to repair. I also think that once this is repaired, if it can be, that the absolute most it would sell for would be around $3000, not 6.
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 10:15 pm
Hmmm,
I spoke to the winning bidder, he was willing to pay for it because he wanted it and the last time he checked, York was still out of business and not making them. The Craftsman that built the tuba are long gone with no sighn of returning. In other words you want one, you have to pay for what is available. He was willing to bid like he meant it. It seems that there are a few folks out there who have offered to take the horn off the winners hands, so there is probably a solid market for the horn after all.
I am informed that the bell had a flower pot shoved into it and that is how the split took place, not a surprise considering the way York brass tends to behave on the large bows. A skilled Tech can make the repair invisable. It was not filled with dirt. If it was in the outdoors that is no major issue considering the type of soil in that part of the country. I personally feel the price paid is not out of this world but is at the top end for what type of instrument it is. If properly restored it could quite possibly sell for the price mentioned. Those of us who have the skill to perform the repairs this instrument will probably need would say in its current state that its value topped out at $2k but the winning bidder should be pleased to have such an interesting tuba, in spite of what some may think. Unlike most of the skeptics, I am fortunate to be in a position to perform such major work on tubas as I have the facillity and the skills to do the job. If I had the time and money, I would have jumped into the bidding myself.
Picture what the instrument would look like in a satin silver finish with bright sliver accents all over, very nice indeed. I wish the high bidder the best of luck and look forward to seeing the tuba when it is restored.
Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
www.oberloh.com
I spoke to the winning bidder, he was willing to pay for it because he wanted it and the last time he checked, York was still out of business and not making them. The Craftsman that built the tuba are long gone with no sighn of returning. In other words you want one, you have to pay for what is available. He was willing to bid like he meant it. It seems that there are a few folks out there who have offered to take the horn off the winners hands, so there is probably a solid market for the horn after all.
I am informed that the bell had a flower pot shoved into it and that is how the split took place, not a surprise considering the way York brass tends to behave on the large bows. A skilled Tech can make the repair invisable. It was not filled with dirt. If it was in the outdoors that is no major issue considering the type of soil in that part of the country. I personally feel the price paid is not out of this world but is at the top end for what type of instrument it is. If properly restored it could quite possibly sell for the price mentioned. Those of us who have the skill to perform the repairs this instrument will probably need would say in its current state that its value topped out at $2k but the winning bidder should be pleased to have such an interesting tuba, in spite of what some may think. Unlike most of the skeptics, I am fortunate to be in a position to perform such major work on tubas as I have the facillity and the skills to do the job. If I had the time and money, I would have jumped into the bidding myself.
Picture what the instrument would look like in a satin silver finish with bright sliver accents all over, very nice indeed. I wish the high bidder the best of luck and look forward to seeing the tuba when it is restored.Daniel C. Oberloh
Oberloh Woodwind and Brass Works
www.oberloh.com
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 4:30 pm
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:12 pm
I've never known two grown men to have a "catfight" before. I didn't know this was possible.
Re: eBay
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:02 pm
No. With guys, it's a pissing match. And the reason we don't complain is that the match is between two masters of the art, and the rest of us find it entertaining.carolyn catton wrote:Me neither. As demonstrated, it seems to be, though....
Rick "far more disturbed by the disclosing of a private email" Denney
Well said Harold
Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:09 am
Well said Harold... different people have different reasons for wanting different horns. If it will make you happy... go for it!
I was shopping around for a "big bore" horn last December and January and was hoping to find a York or a Holton. Sure enough, a Holton 345 came up for sale on Ebay in January. I checked for comments about that Ebay listing here on the Tubanet and the comments doubted the quality of the horn. The seller was very open about the multiple patches on the bell. I discussed it with several repair technicians and the word was that the bell was repairable. So I bought the horn. As it turns out, I was the only bidder. Well, I got the horn... and so far I love it! Big, fat tone, and surprizingly well in tune. I enjoy this horn more than any other that I have played. I will really miss it for the time it will up with Dan Oberloh being restored later this summer.
I was shopping around for a "big bore" horn last December and January and was hoping to find a York or a Holton. Sure enough, a Holton 345 came up for sale on Ebay in January. I checked for comments about that Ebay listing here on the Tubanet and the comments doubted the quality of the horn. The seller was very open about the multiple patches on the bell. I discussed it with several repair technicians and the word was that the bell was repairable. So I bought the horn. As it turns out, I was the only bidder. Well, I got the horn... and so far I love it! Big, fat tone, and surprizingly well in tune. I enjoy this horn more than any other that I have played. I will really miss it for the time it will up with Dan Oberloh being restored later this summer.