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OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby hrender » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:13 am

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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby bloke » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:29 pm

I hope no one chops it up into another "genuine" NOT-a-telli.

I'd love to play it...
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby YORK-aholic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:07 pm

bloke wrote:I hope no one chops it up into another "genuine" NOT-a-telli.

I'd love to play it...


Bloke: We can put you up. We're about an hour away from that horn... 8)
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby Michael Grant » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:47 pm

That is really sweet. I wonder how big it is? 3/4? 4/4? What would it compare to today? Piggy? 5J? That Getzen 50 Canadian Brass horn? I would also love to play it.
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:03 pm

I think it’s a 5/4
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby davidgilbreath » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:18 am

bloke wrote:I'd love to play it...

Joe, you played the 3v top action version of this when I first brought the "mythical tuba" to you (which is now a 3v front action).
Michael Grant wrote:That is really sweet. I wonder how big it is? 3/4? 4/4? What would it compare to today? Piggy? 5J? That Getzen 50 Canadian Brass horn? I would also love to play it.

Michael, the following is quite probably more than you'll ever want to know.

This horn is very closely related to the Conn New Wonder "Monster BBb" and New Invention "Monster BBb" horns from c. 1913 to the late 1920's. Without the exact serial number, it's not possible to say the following is absolutely accurate.

The BBb's from this era range in size from 36"-38" in height, have a .734 bore, and weigh between 18-26+ lbs. depending upon the number of valves AND location of the valves. The top action versions are the lightest of all the configurations. Bell sizes varied between 17.5"-22", with the later versions (c.1919-late 1920's) being sold with a fixed 22" bell. There is a twist to the story.

Sometime in the second decade of the 20th century, Conn decided to take on York as York tubas were making a serious dent in sales. Conn developed their own version of the York alloy and made some changes in these horns as well as making the Grand Orchestral from this alloy. Conn, using their version of the York alloy", began to offer 20" fixed bells and this specific alloy/bell combination made for a lighter weight horn. My 3v front action weighs 20.5 lbs whereas the regular Conn alloy 3V front-action horn (22" bell) weighed 22 lbs. The 20" bell is the key and from the picture it sure looks like it has that sized bell. While not all 20" versions were made of the Conn special alloy, the lighter weight with this specific bell is the giveaway.

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This is my Conn with my 1938 York BBb 4V 5/4 (recording bell is not pictured). These two horns measure 37"-37.5" tall and the York (.750 bore) weighs 22 lbs.
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby hrender » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:53 am

Still up, price now $2000. It's probably good that I'm not closer as I have no room for another horn. Given the vintage I'd be curious about the pitch.
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby iiipopes » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:28 pm

[Sigh!] If I were 20 years younger and playing more tuba than I am now, that would go so well with my Bessophone!
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Re: OC CL: Vintage Conn BBb

Postby hrender » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:11 am

Anyone ever get out to try this? I'm surprised it's still up.
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