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Holton BBb

Postby sugawi » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:37 pm

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Re: Holton BBb

Postby roweenie » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:38 am

Looks like a Couesnon stencil.
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby edsel585960 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:02 am

Yep, Couesnon origin for sure. Still appears to be in good cosmetic shape. Most of these I find are beat to $#!* :(
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby pbone3b » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:10 pm

I just bought this.
The listing said Bb, but it is, in fact, an Eb, but I've decided to take it anyway. I'm a trombonist who is fairly proficient on Euphonium, looking for my first tuba.
Mistake?
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby SteveP » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:15 pm

For the price I don't think you did bad. You'll have a good time playing this. Enjoy!
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby pbone3b » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:20 pm

Thanks!
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby Donn » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:23 pm

pbone3b wrote:Mistake?


You never know, but at worst it isn't a super expensive mistake. If you're implying it's Eb, I think you're right there. If you get serious about playing Eb, I expect you'd eventually want something with more valves, but (as you probably already know) you'll be able to play the missing notes as if you had another register down there - so Ab below the conventional range is "open", G is 2nd valve etc. They just won't have as nice a tonal focus as the real thing.
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby pbone3b » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:31 pm

Donn wrote: ... but (as you probably already know) you'll be able to play the missing notes as if you had another register down there - so Ab below the conventional range is "open", G is 2nd valve etc. They just won't have as nice a tonal focus as the real thing.


It's been almost 2 months, but I finally found that Low Ab partial you were referring to!
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby Donn » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:10 am

I think the acoustic explanation is a mystery, but that range is well known in the tuba scene as "false tones." I understand that some players can get a similar anomalous low register on the trombone - but not in the same place! That is, it doesn't come out a fourth above the pedal octave, but some other interval that I misremember. I couldn't find any such thing, myself.
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby Kirley » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:04 am

Donn wrote:I think the acoustic explanation is a mystery, but that range is well known in the tuba scene as "false tones." I understand that some players can get a similar anomalous low register on the trombone - but not in the same place! That is, it doesn't come out a fourth above the pedal octave, but some other interval that I misremember. I couldn't find any such thing, myself.


On trombone, I just imagined that I was using a trigger (4th valve in tuba speak) and used those same positions. Low Eb = b3rd, etc.

The trombone false tones are definitely less solid than the tuba ones, IMO. And, at least for me, the sousaphone false tones are more solid than lap tuba false tones. I’m sure certain horns/tapers lend themselves to false tones better than others. And I’m just as sure that the TNFJ has lots of opinions on that!
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Re: Holton BBb

Postby toobagrowl » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:18 pm

Kirley wrote: And, at least for me, the sousaphone false tones are more solid than lap tuba false tones.


Many sousa/tuba players will say the same thing. The typical BBb sousaphone usually has excellent false tones - especially with the right mpc :tuba:
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