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Seattle CL: Mirafone "Kaiser"

Postby hrender » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm

https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/msg/d/southworth-mirafone-bbb-kaiserbass-tuba/6967525672.html

Doesn't look especially large, but the listed dimensions make it taller than a 186.

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Re: Seattle CL: Mirafone "Kaiser"

Postby bort » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:08 pm

Model 190, in BBb. Very tall tuba!
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Re: Seattle CL: Mirafone "Kaiser"

Postby the elephant » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:00 pm

Yep, that is a 190, and it is a big mama.

184, 186, 188, 190, all are 5 valve CC horns except the 184, which is a 4our valved BBb (I think). Note that the BBb 190 is even taller than the CC (again: I think) just like the BBb 186 is taller than a CC 186.

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Re: Seattle CL: Mirafone "Kaiser"

Postby bloke » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:07 pm

Those older .835 inch bore rotor bodies were very large. The newer ones are cut out of the same blank as the .772 inch bore rotor blank, thus even lighter and faster than the 186/188 rotors.

I recently played an old model 190 C that belongs to Interlochen. Even though in rough shape, it’s not a terrible instrument…certainly not as bad as the reputation for these. I suspect the B-flat version is a better instrument. That one appears to be in fine condition, and I would love to play it… but I just don’t see myself driving to Seattle to do so.
That having been said, it’s everything that most all for sale Kaiser B-flats are not: neither (most all being quite thin-walled in the first place, thus difficult to restore) ragged out, nor manufactured in a 70°F shop.

I would love to stumble across something just like this locally.
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Re: Seattle CL: Mirafone "Kaiser"

Postby Donn » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:58 pm

A little excitement there for a few seconds - my old 190 BBb is presumed to still be in the area, and I was half expecting to see it here, but mine was much newer, probably early '80s. The story I've read here before is that the old BBb 190s, like that era, fell a little short of the 187 etc. in terms of intonation and such niceties. I personally wasn't troubled by any of that, so much, it was just more tuba than I was up for at the time. The guy who I suppose still has it seemed to be doing well with it.
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