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eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 1140

PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:04 pm
by The Big Ben
Hi:

Here's something cheap and maybe interesting:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254344762996?ul_noapp=true" target="_blank

It looks like a modern 1140 but, by seller's description and partial serial number, this looks like a early 30s vintage King/HN White Eb tuba.

It has the classic H.N. White engraving on the bell and on the 2nd valve. It is far from perfect but might be savable bt someone. No caps or buttons and I have no idea of the condition of the valve pistons and casing. If the bell was straightened out to be presentable, it could be usable. BIN @ 179.95

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:00 pm
by the elephant
That second knuckle, though… :shock:

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Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:19 pm
by The Big Ben
Yow! That's a problem!

The thing that attracted me was the engraving on the bell. That just isn't done any more. However, it may not be too much fun to play. Looks "peashooter".

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:06 am
by roweenie
I'd be interested if I could find a side-action set to paste onto it - IIRC, the bore on these little guys is around .630 or so.

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:00 am
by Tubajug
That looks like the same model I'm covering to front action. The bore was 0.620 on mine.

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:39 am
by roweenie
I'll meet you half-way....it's probably .625, to be "official" (5/8").

I don't know of anyone who manufactures a front action set in a similar bore. The closest is the Conn .656 (21/32").

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:42 am
by bloke
' pretty sure those are 5/8" bore.
One passed through here a long time ago.
I'm thinking that I used the bell to replace the destroyed on on some middle school's random 3/4 BBb, and saved the braces and waterkeys.
I probably used the outside slide tubing to replace inside slide tubing on other King tubas.
Playing it prior to complete disassembly and parts storage, the intonation was everywhere.
...piston knuckle...??
smoothing it out/lining up the cracked edges/some paste flux/very controlled heat (or not, and just burn up the brass :P :lol: )/thirty seconds of silver brazing/done
Even when they appear to be viable, I generally avoid buying refinished brass instruments...particular when shopping from pictures.

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:49 pm
by Tubajug
roweenie wrote:I'll meet you half-way....it's probably .625, to be "official" (5/8").

I don't know of anyone who manufactures a front action set in a similar bore. The closest is the Conn .656 (21/32").


Haha, deal! 0.625 it is. The 0.656 Conn valveset is what I'm using for the project (but you probably remembered that). Hopefully I can get it going again now that I finished my helicon.

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:45 pm
by bloke
I'm offering a 4-valve FRONT-action 5/8" (.625") bore Elkhart-valveset/body (Eb) with Reynolds TB-10 bell (or not) as a not-started helicon "project" in a few days...The valveset wrap very strongly resembles the Conn 40K BBb wrap.

no pm's, pls...I PROMISE I'll post good pictures and a price - when I have a little bit more time.
Here's the thing: It should sell fast, and I don't have time to deal with selling/packing/shipping, right now.

:arrow: ...the point being that - in Elkhart - some 5/8" bore front-action instruments WERE made...and even with four valves.

Re: eBay: 30s vintage HN White Eb which looks like modern 11

PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:30 pm
by YORK-aholic
bloke wrote:I'm offering a 4-valve FRONT-action 5/8" (.625") bore Elkhart-valveset/body (Eb) with Reynolds TB-10 bell (or not) as a not-started helicon "project" in a few days...The valveset wrap very strongly resembles the Conn 40K BBb wrap.


Sold. I have a little York Eb that could use a front action valveset.

Oh wait, I was supposed to wait for pictures and a price. :oops:


I can be patient, really, I can... :lol: