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Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:46 am
by hrender

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:02 pm
by bloke
No so-called "contras" or sousaphones need to be offered for sale with four-valves.
Rather, the finest "contras" and sousaphones could sport the 3-valve compensating system.

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:29 pm
by bort
Nice!

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:07 am
by YORK-aholic
bloke wrote:No so-called "contras" or sousaphones need to be offered for sale with four-valves.
Rather, the finest "contras" and sousaphones could sport the 3-valve compensating system.


Like this?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-vintage-Sousaphone-Helicon-Tuba-body-only-made-in-England-for-parts/123703548459?hash=item1ccd4e5a2b%3Ag%3AUnAAAOSwpsBclasN&LH_ItemCondition=7000

Image

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:36 am
by bloke
close, but - having worked on some of those - I'm pretty sure they aren't compensating.
They look "funny", because they've (sorta like a recently-defunct west coast maker, and a couple of Jinbao issues) taken what began as a top-action cluster and twisted it around to make it front-action.

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:31 pm
by iiipopes
The helicon posted above is not compensating. Look at the valves: simple portage from normal length valves. The illusion is because on this particular instrument Besson wound the valve slides around with more bends than we are used to seeing.

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:15 pm
by edsel585960
That's a good horn for that price.

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:53 pm
by iiipopes
edsel585960 wrote:That's a good horn for that price.

The Besson 3-valve comp tuba initially posted: yes
The Besson helicon immediately above: no

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:28 am
by edsel585960
iiipopes wrote:
edsel585960 wrote:That's a good horn for that price.

The Besson 3-valve comp tuba initially posted: yes
The Besson helicon immediately above: no

Well duh. :D

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:32 am
by The Brute Squad
If I was in the market (or even just had $800 to spare), I'd swipe that up pretty quickly. It's only about an hour from me.

Re: Madison CL: Besson Comp BBb

PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:25 pm
by iiipopes
edsel585960 wrote:
iiipopes wrote:
edsel585960 wrote:That's a good horn for that price.

The Besson 3-valve comp tuba initially posted: yes
The Besson helicon immediately above: no

Well duh. :D

Not really. "Duh" happens when confusion may arise in any forum thread from an indefinite article (the case here), satire that does not translate well, or generally bad grammar, among other reasons. Since this thread discussion had devolved to include two Besson instruments, albeit different instruments, the refocus was necessary.