Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
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Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
I don't know if this falls under Ebay scandal but...
Someone is selling a Schiller Sousaphone as a Conn 20k on ebay.
& it already has 26 bids...seller knows its a Schiller, i saw it on FB Marketplace...
Don't want someone to end up disappointed. I reported it but no avail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333740861666" target="_blank
Someone is selling a Schiller Sousaphone as a Conn 20k on ebay.
& it already has 26 bids...seller knows its a Schiller, i saw it on FB Marketplace...
Don't want someone to end up disappointed. I reported it but no avail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333740861666" target="_blank
1940 Conn 32k Sousaphone
1962 Conn 20k Sousaphone
1920 Conn 38k Sousaphone
Wessex Bb Mighty Midget
Reynolds Contempora Bb Tuba
1965 King 1250 Sousaphone (Sold)
1962 Conn 20k Sousaphone
1920 Conn 38k Sousaphone
Wessex Bb Mighty Midget
Reynolds Contempora Bb Tuba
1965 King 1250 Sousaphone (Sold)
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Buyer beware
Conn 20-21 J
Conn 10J, Conn 26 K, Martin Mammoth, Mirafone 186, Soviet Helicon, Holton Raincatcher Sousaphone, Yamaha 103, King 1240.
Conn 10J, Conn 26 K, Martin Mammoth, Mirafone 186, Soviet Helicon, Holton Raincatcher Sousaphone, Yamaha 103, King 1240.
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
Dan Schultz
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http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
I tried reporting this to eBay and nothing came of it.
Meanwhile, I recently had an eBay listing taken down for tacking “similar to LM12” on the end of my item title to help describe a as less-commonly-known mouthpiece. I wasn’t being deceptive, I just added an analogy to the already super-clear description to help the buyer.
Meanwhile, I recently had an eBay listing taken down for tacking “similar to LM12” on the end of my item title to help describe a as less-commonly-known mouthpiece. I wasn’t being deceptive, I just added an analogy to the already super-clear description to help the buyer.
Eastman 853 Eb ("Edith")
1963 King 1250 Sousaphone ("Jackie O")
Aguilar Amplification
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Founder, L Train Brass Band
1963 King 1250 Sousaphone ("Jackie O")
Aguilar Amplification
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Founder, L Train Brass Band
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
eBay is a cesspool.
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1974 Besson Eb
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http://www.superfinecases.com
Mirafone 184 BBb
B&M Marzan BBb
1974 Besson Eb
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Do all Conn's have offset pistons?Dan Schultz wrote:Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
Anyway, I'm getting decently educated about normal tubas, but I've never shopped for sousaphones, and I've only played whatever my schools had for marching band, so I wouldn't know what to expect.
Where does one look for the meaning of the Conn model numbers? I have a (probably) 1960's Conn sousaphone (was surplus from a high school many years ago), and I guess I'd like to be able to identify it (beyond seeing that it's not a Schiller).
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
No they do not. But they are unique to the 20K model.anotherjtm2 wrote:Do all Conn's have offset pistons?Dan Schultz wrote:Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
The main Conn Sousaphone models are
"Regular body" - 14K
"Regular body" & better bracing - 32K
"Larger body" & better bracing - 38K
"Larger body" & better bracing & offset pistons - 20K (Replaced 38K)
1940 Conn 32k Sousaphone
1962 Conn 20k Sousaphone
1920 Conn 38k Sousaphone
Wessex Bb Mighty Midget
Reynolds Contempora Bb Tuba
1965 King 1250 Sousaphone (Sold)
1962 Conn 20k Sousaphone
1920 Conn 38k Sousaphone
Wessex Bb Mighty Midget
Reynolds Contempora Bb Tuba
1965 King 1250 Sousaphone (Sold)
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Thanks! So, just to make sure I understand, "offset pistons" means that the pushrod for each piston comes out through a hole that is not centered on the piston so that the buttons can be closer together than the piston centers? Maybe I have a 20k (currently gunmetal grey).oscarcahue wrote:No they do not. But they are unique to the 20K model.anotherjtm2 wrote:Do all Conn's have offset pistons?Dan Schultz wrote:Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
The main Conn Sousaphone models are
"Regular body" - 14K
"Regular body" & better bracing - 32K
"Larger body" & better bracing - 38K
"Larger body" & better bracing & offset pistons - 20K (Replaced 38K)
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Yes. "Gunmetal grey" is tarnished silverplate.anotherjtm2 wrote:Thanks! So, just to make sure I understand, "offset pistons" means that the pushrod for each piston comes out through a hole that is not centered on the piston so that the buttons can be closer together than the piston centers? Maybe I have a 20k (currently gunmetal grey).
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Jupiter JTU1110, RT-82.
"Real" Conn 36K.
"Real" Conn 36K.
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
I've shined the bell, so I know that it can look good, but I'm not likely to play it much any time soon, so I haven't gone to the trouble for the rest of it.iiipopes wrote: Yes. "Gunmetal grey" is tarnished silverplate.
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
No. But the 20K does.anotherjtm2 wrote:Do all Conn's have offset pistons?Dan Schultz wrote:Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
Dan Schultz
"The Village Tinker"
http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
"The Village Tinker"
http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
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Re: Ebay - Fake Conn 20K
Good explanation. In my earlier comment I didn't mean to imply that anyone was 'uneducated' just because they didn't know the difference between the 2XK and 2XJ series of Conn tubas and sousaphones. Working with this information on a daily basis tends make me take things for granted.oscarcahue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:49 pmNo they do not. But they are unique to the 20K model.anotherjtm2 wrote:Do all Conn's have offset pistons?Dan Schultz wrote:Buyers need to have at least a pre-school education. It's pretty clear that the horn in question does not have offset pistons.
The main Conn Sousaphone models are
"Regular body" - 14K
"Regular body" & better bracing - 32K
"Larger body" & better bracing - 38K
"Larger body" & better bracing & offset pistons - 20K (Replaced 38K)
Before bidding on anything on Ebay a person needs to either know the details or do a little research... which some posters have done by posting here. Sorry.
Dan Schultz
"The Village Tinker"
http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
"The Village Tinker"
http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.