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Postby LAERCIO » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:33 am

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Good morning, thanks for accepting to be part of the group, I am Brazilian I play tuba in the music band of the Brazilian Army.

I participate in this group because I bought a German tuba and I don't know which brand it would be, I believe you will have more knowledge about this tuba because it is from German origin.

Some Luthier believes that this tuba is a MELTON MEINL WESTON, my question is; by the photo do you think it is what model / brand of this tuba?
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Postby the elephant » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:00 am

To me, several of the branches say Bohland & Fuchs. So does the bell. The inner wrap of the 4th and 5th branches, the ferrules, some of the nickel silver feet of strap loops, thumb ring, etc. and the 3rd valve runner that loops way down all look identical to a the few Kaiser BBb B&F tubas I have seen.

I would say it was made in the 1930s, but that is a wild guess. If it is, the person who restored it removed the bell plate with the name engraved on it. There is a good chance it was very badly worn. It also could have been removed many years ago for some reason. All the big, old B&F tubas I have seen have had this soldered-on nickel silver plaque with the company logo on it. It is soft soldered and easily removed. So who really knows?

I bet it is a lot of fun to play that baby! Nice find! It could be Melton, it could be any one of many other small makers, but I don't think so. I think it is old and I think it is a Bohland & Fuchs.

Others with more knowledge will chime in later and tell me I am wrong. HAHAHA!!! :tuba:
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Postby LAERCIO » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:48 am

thank you very much for the answers, now i have a question about which instrument has more value and which is better, Bohland & Fuchs or Melton Meinl Weston?

I have this doubt because I don't know much about B&F
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Postby the elephant » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:28 am

LAERCIO wrote:thank you very much for the answers, now i have a question about which instrument has more value and which is better, Bohland & Fuchs or Melton Meinl Weston?

I have this doubt because I don't know much about B&F


Meinl-Weston is dead common in most cases. B&F is old and sort of rare especially in the US. I would not worry about that sort of value, though. I would worry more about how well it plays. Yours looks to have been very heavily buffed. If it is a B&F the bell plaque is missing. It is probably not worth a lot as a collectible tuba. (And really, what *is* a collectible tuba, anyway?)

The main issues with really old horns are always the bearing surfaces: the tightness of the rotor bearings (or the piston bodies and casing walls) and the seal between the inner and outer slide tubes. The noise made by rotors can fairly easily be fixed once the exact cause is identified. Slide alignment can be fixed, too. But you cannot easily add back metal that has worn off of the "wear surfaces" of the slides and valves.

Also, cracks and holes, if any: were they patched or filled with solver solder? And has the bell been rolled out too many times so that it has lost some of its characteristic tone?

On really old horns this is what ends up lowering the value as an actual, working tuba. If a horn is really valuable as a collectible it probably should not be fully restored (and buffed) by anyone who is not an expert at this sort of work. This one seems to have had this work done to it, and your photos are way too small for us to really get a sense of what was done to it, and how much work might have been over-done.

It is a beautiful horn, and my advice to you is to value it for what money you have in it right now. If it proves out to be a really fine instrument in tone, pitch, response, etc. I would raise that value accordingly in my head, so that if I ever sold it I might consider raising the price from what I paid to what others might pay. Generally, we pay about what a horn is worth, though, so what you paid is probably its real value.

I would love to play that baby, though. It looks like a fun horn to let loose on! :tuba:
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Postby the elephant » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:31 am

This might interest you, and perhaps you can contact him via the comment section at the end of this blog post. He is a great guy and a wonderful repairman who knows his German tubas extremely well…

https://brassandpipes.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/1930s-custom-bohland-fuchs-kaiser-b-tuba/

[Also, in reading some of Jake's other blog posts, your horn might be an old "Hess" brand tuba, but I am only going by photos. I have never seen a Hess instrument.]
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Postby LAERCIO » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:06 pm

Good Night, about the brightness and the different color of the tuba, it was because he reformed her painting, dyed it in shiny gold.

And about the keys / rotors, it's in perfect condition, and honestly the tuba has an excellent sound, very good to play, many praise this instrument when playing, I believe you would love to play this tuba, I'll leave the invitation when I come Brazil passes in São Paulo and comes to make a sound, invited to participate in rehearsals and meet our orchestra of the Brazilian army, it will be an honor !! and as for its value I paid R $ 10,000.00 and I do not regret it, I can estimate the price of it here around R $ 18,000.00 to 20,000.00 and everyone thinks it is worth for the size and sound of the instrument.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CONVERSATION!!
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Postby the elephant » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:54 pm

LAERCIO wrote:… invited to participate in rehearsals and meet our orchestra of the Brazilian army…


I was in an excellent US Army band back in the 1980s. It was the band in New York City and I learned a lot from my fellow soldiers as they were excellent musicians. Send me a photo of you in your orchestra. I would like to see it! Congratulations on getting a tuba that pleases you so much. I hope you get to enjoy it for many years.

Be careful with the virus. I have a friend who is a professional violinist in São Paulo who says the virus is becoming very scary in Brazil right now. You guys are catching up to the US in cases and deaths, which is not good at all.

Please be safe, my friend!

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Postby anotherjtm2 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:50 pm

That main tuning slide is fun.
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Postby Steve Marcus » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:21 pm

How tall is the tuba, and what is the diameter of the bell?
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