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[SplatterTone]

I have seen forums which had a special category to which threads could be moved that have become inane. That way any person reading in that category does so with the understanding that the crap factor is going to be high. If they don't like what they see, they have nobody to blame but themselves for going there. Sort of like clicking on URLs in signatures when you KNOW it will probably take you to townhall.com or something similar.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

I'm still wondering when it became important to "protect" people from other's opinions. Are some people really so weak in their beliefs that they find it offensive when someone else expresses the opposite view?

I can see locking threads for offensive language, name-calling, or all-out verbal attacks (which are often alleged to happen in this forum by some folks who, I have to believe, have no idea what a verbal attack really consists of). But locking them because of an argument? I don't see the point. I'm entirely willing, however, to accept the fact that it's "just me" and will happily modify my behavior when told to do so.

[Dean]

I'm still wondering when it became important to "protect" people from other's opinions.

I said nothing of the sort. This statement is either a false manufacture of your mind, or an outright lie. I told you it was the pervasiveness of the back-and-forth. It happened so many times on so many posts. It became distracting and tiring, and skewed every post involved off-topic. I told you in private my reasons for locking said post. Now I have to clarify it here in public because you are spreading a lie.

The "debate" was not the issue (to CLARIFY, AGAIN, it was the bleeding of this same "debate" over into several topics). If you need to carry on with your "guidance" of young James, for sure, carry on. Make a separate topic for it if you like. The most appropriate place would be in PMs.

Yes. It is shameful and sad and incredibly weak. And the judgmental attitude that comes with it is quite tiresome. It must be very fulfilling to be above it all. Sheesh. What a crock.

The irony HERE is the bolded statement is quite "judgmental."

[WoodSheddin]

I had an idealistic vision of TubeNet being a place to discuss music. It was never meant to be an Off-Topic free for all that might include a musical discussion on occasion.

This isn't about protecting you. It is about attempting to steer the bus and keep the few 40+ year old children from scratching each others eyes out.

There is a small cadre of people here who take pride in showing others the "way it is". This fraternity hazing does no good for new faces or occasional posters who have much to contribute. I have made this statement many times and you know who you are and yet you still don't give a damn.

Frankly I am surprised Dean and schlep even try any more. I pretty much gave up a while back and have even had VERY serious thoughts of pulling the whole plug.

I get zero satisfaction from this website anymore. And it has everything to do with crap like this thread.

I am yet to see Dean or schlep lock a productive thread which is contributing to the overall musical wisdom of the members here. You guys are bitching because your bitching is being curbed.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

I said nothing of the sort. This statement is either a false manufacture of your mind, or an outright lie. I told you it was the pervasiveness of the back-and-forth. It happened so many times on so many posts. It became distracting and tiring, and skewed every post involved off-topic. I told you in private my reasons for locking said post. Now I have to clarify it here in public because you are spreading a lie.

The "debate" was not the issue (to CLARIFY, AGAIN, it was the bleeding of this same "debate" over into several topics). If you need to carry on with your "guidance" of young James, for sure, carry on. Make a separate topic for it if you like. The most appropriate place would be in PMs.

Good grief, Dean, where are you coming from here? I was reacting and responding to SplatterTone's post about forums that create a special category of threads, the purpose of which would be, in my opinion, to "protect" others from being subjected to "having to read them." I thought I had simply stated an opinion and raised a question about why it is so offensive for some people to read something on a board they disagree with - I simply don't understand it.

But, if you'll notice in my second paragraph, I acknowledge that my perception of the issue may be skewed from other people's, and I offered to change my behavior to reflect that. I fully understand that some people might react differently than I intend to something I write...I submit that the same can be said of anybody.

My last post here was met with accusations of lies, all-caps and bold-faced shouting, and James being brought up for some unknown reason. I'm literally typing with my mouth open. I didn't point the finger at anyone...I asked a general question about why it is that some people take offense so easy and referred to it as "weak in their beliefs"...is that really so hard to read?

Sean, it's your baby...if you want to take your ball and run home crying, nobody here can stop you. But you are completely overreacting to what's going on here, and justifying it by name-calling some people and calling it "hazing." I'm bitching because my bitching is being curbed? Depends on your definition of bitching, I suppose...my definition is certainly far removed from yours, and I'm getting tired of being told what I'm feeling when I make a post.

It's unbelievable that such repsonses could come from my conciliatory post...you accuse me and some others of being mean and then do that. Physician, heal thyself.

I'd invite you to read the thread about ealry music tuba parts (started by James!). It's been intelligent, enlightening, and on-topic...exactly what Sean says he would like the website to be.

[windshieldbug]

I had an idealistic vision of TubeNet being a place to discuss music. It was never meant to be an Off-Topic free for all that might include a musical discussion on occasion.

There are, I dare say, plenty of other boards which encourage one to blast away to one's heart's content.

But VERY FEW tuba boards. We are greatful to Sean, and should at least try to play by his rules, as restrictive as they may seem to SOME.

(and yo Sean, you rule!)

[Dean]

Good grief, Dean, where are you coming from here? I was reacting and responding to SplatterTone's post about forums that create a special category of threads, the purpose of which would be, in my opinion, to "protect" others from being subjected to "having to read them." I thought I had simply stated an opinion and raised a question about why it is so offensive for some people to read something on a board they disagree with - I simply don't understand it.

My sincere apologies, Todd. I had implied something here that was not there.

The creation of this thread was an obvious-but-not-explicit response to my closing another thread, I assume to allow that skewed conversation to go on elsewhere. I assumed too much of the thread was a direct criticism of said moderation.

Such a subforum could be created, though it would require a lot more work on the moderator's end, on a per-post basis. Can anyone link me to a board that uses such a system?

Touchy, aren't we, Dean? No one was talking about you, here.

I never said the "judgmental" statement was about me, only that it was incredibly ironic.

[TubaRay]

I had an idealistic vision of TubeNet being a place to discuss music. It was never meant to be an Off-Topic free for all that might include a musical discussion on occasion.

There are, I dare say, plenty of other boards which encourage one to blast away to one's heart's content.
But VERY FEW tuba boards. We are greatful to Sean, and should at least try to play by his rules, as restrictive as they may seem to SOME.
(and yo Sean, you rule!)

I am grateful to Sean for this board. Very grateful. I enjoy Tubenet very much. This does not prevent me from disagreeing with him. I believe he doesn't realize just what a great thing he has created. He focuses on what he believes to be people being uncivil to each other. I cannot agree with him on this. I am willing to go by his rules, but I believe they sometimes prevent Tubenet from becoming all it could be.

There are several people who post here who others perceive to be meanspirited. Personally, I don't see why, but they do. Those people, in my opinion, have the most to offer the rest of us. They don't usually sugarcoat their responses, but I thought we were big boys and girls. Even the youngsters are mostly high school age. Only a very few are younger. Ironically, most all of that younger crowd has shown some good sense in not attempting to tell everyone how they know everything.

Sean is in control of things as long as he wishes to be. If he decides he no longer wishes to continue being "the man," I hope he'll offer it up to someone else who wants to be.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

My sincere apologies, Todd. I had implied something here that was not there.

Thank you for the nice reply, Dean. I can see where the confusion came from. No harm, no foul.

I'm sure we all realize that moderating the forum is no easy task, and it certainly isn't a way to make friends. Thanks for stepping up and taking on the responsibilities. I'm sure the level of professionalism among the folks involved can win the day here and allow us to continue the discussion (wherever it leads).

[TubaCoopa]

Even though I have only been a member of this forum for a few months, I have already become attached and would hate to see it all come crashing down in flames. Obviously, this is a place for opinions to be shared, but not for opinion-bashing. I believe that there is no real solution to this dilemma. There will always be a few children who can't put up with a differing opinion to theirs and will fight to the death for it. Maybe if people who have caused a problem in a certain topic were banned from that specific topic, then maybe the topic could continue life as it was meant to. And if this person continues to cause trouble in other topics, then their account should be outright deleted.

All I really know is that if TubeNet ends, my dreams and the dreams of many other tuba students to be the best musicians that we can be will have taken a perhaps fatal blow. This forum is the best and most expansive source for tuba knowledge besides private lessons, and I really don't know where I would be wothout it.

[Nick Pierce]

I would also like to thank Sean for keeping this going, I really enjoy coming here for a laugh or to learn something new, I appreciate the patience and guidance shown by the older ones to us arrogant, young morons. And I appreciate the words of all the older members, from the gentle guiders to the merciless dream crushers, no matter how mean. Thank you all for coming here, and thank you Sean for keeping this around.

P.S. Any takers for how long till this thread is locked?

[windshieldbug]

Must stop the topic locking finger...............
Must.............stop................

[Dean]

I would also like to thank Sean for keeping this going, I really enjoy coming here for a laugh or to learn something new, I appreciate the patience and guidance shown by the older ones to us arrogant, young morons. And I appreciate the words of all the older members, from the gentle guiders to the merciless dream crushers, no matter how mean. Thank you all for coming here, and thank you Sean for keeping this around.

P.S. Any takers for how long till this thread is locked?

If you will accept 3:1 odds against me, I am willing to put money down that I can predict within 2 minutes the time this thread is locked!

Any takers on that one?

[Nick Pierce]

I was thinking more along the lines of "loser gives winner a free, one hour lesson."