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- iiipopes
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Community Standards
As I have perused the threads since the grand reopening, I really don't see much that is different. But I do notice posts here and there which I recall from the previous versions of the threads having been deleted. How those posts that I recall violated the new community standards I will never know, as I did not perceive malice or bias in them.
I know we are all here at the pleasure of the owner of the forum, and any one of us may be warned, censured, or expelled at will. But I caution the owners and especially the new moderator team to be careful of reactionism. This forum historically has been a great place to debate points of view on many issues, whether "strictly" low brass related or not, and all disagreements I have seen were objective, and never impugned the character of the holder of the opposite view. That is a value that is definitely lost on other forums, and it does appear that is what the owners and moderators are trying to preserve on this forum. But be careful. It would be a shame if this forum ended up as nothing but an agree to the post or get deleted, chilling posting of opposite views unnecessarily, as some other forums are.
I know we are all here at the pleasure of the owner of the forum, and any one of us may be warned, censured, or expelled at will. But I caution the owners and especially the new moderator team to be careful of reactionism. This forum historically has been a great place to debate points of view on many issues, whether "strictly" low brass related or not, and all disagreements I have seen were objective, and never impugned the character of the holder of the opposite view. That is a value that is definitely lost on other forums, and it does appear that is what the owners and moderators are trying to preserve on this forum. But be careful. It would be a shame if this forum ended up as nothing but an agree to the post or get deleted, chilling posting of opposite views unnecessarily, as some other forums are.
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Re: Community Standards
System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
- Worth
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Re: Community Standards
Proactive reporting of said server issue would have been helpful to those of us concerned we may have inadvertently offended someone when we noticed our missing posts. Thank you for your hard work in making Tubenet inclusive of everyone.brendanige wrote:System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
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- jbaylies
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Re: Community Standards
Good point. Sorry about that, it slipped our minds. We'll be proactive about that if/when it happens again in the future.Worth wrote:Proactive reporting of said server issue would have been helpful to those of us concerned we may have inadvertently offended someone when we noticed our missing posts. Thank you for your hard work in making Tubenet inclusive of everyone.brendanige wrote:System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
- Dan Schultz
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Re: Community Standards
I'm glad to see that TubeNet is stlll 'alive'. The Sean and Farah have done a remarkable job keep things on an 'even keel' the nearly twenty years I've been hanging around here.
Dan Schultz
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http://www.thevillagetinker.com" target="_blank
Current 'stable'... Rudolf Meinl 5/4, Marzan (by Willson) euph, King 2341, Alphorn, and other strange stuff.
- FarahShazam
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This is a good point. I’ll make an announcement that there might be a software upgrade soon-ish which will result in some posts going missing. I’m going by cleaning up the forum tree, not much info will be lost.Worth wrote:Proactive reporting of said server issue would have been helpful to those of us concerned we may have inadvertently offended someone when we noticed our missing posts. Thank you for your hard work in making Tubenet inclusive of everyone.brendanige wrote:System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
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Re: Community Standards
They aren’t even a management team. It’s just a bunch of tuba subreddit moderators coming together. Mark is an awesome person. All of the old admins have been kicked, not just him. No “ thanks for helping me get my page where it is now” no nothing. Just got booted.SteveP wrote:Apparently the current 'management team' doesn't agree.KiltieTuba wrote:Shame to see Mark gone, he was an even-handed moderator.
- groth
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Re: Community Standards
So in the thread "When will we see this sort of event again", although off topic itself there was tons of good dialogue regarding Covid and a good exchange of vital information from a resident couple of doctors and such. Mysteriously the "server" itself deleted only those health related posts and left up the non-health related posts? Is that the story you want us to believe? I wasn't aware the AI was so intelligent on such old software.brendanige wrote:System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
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Re: Community Standards
Yes, I noticed that also in an other thread.groth wrote:So in the thread "When will we see this sort of event again", although off topic itself there was tons of good dialogue regarding Covid and a good exchange of vital information from a resident couple of doctors and such. Mysteriously the "server" itself deleted only those health related posts and left up the non-health related posts? Is that the story you want us to believe? I wasn't aware the AI was so intelligent on such old software.brendanige wrote:System reset to a tubenet backup from the past. Some posts are gone, but not by moderation. It was maintenance. The server went down.
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Re: Community Standards
Again a whole thread that disappeared.
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- groth
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Re: Community Standards
"With enough rope"..as the old saying goes (and no it's not racist) that people usually hang themselves because their egos get the better of them. I believe the majority agree with community standards but also agree a certain faction is exposing their dark ugly side for all the world to see and when this all blows over (and it will) they will be cast out of the community at large with a bad reputation.All of this makes me incredibly sad. Tubenet was really something special, a community that started as a BBS, became a forum and even *to this day* was the goto place for 'serious' tuba discussion. To see the destruction of this unfold, in the name of activism while at the same time silencing critics, i'm sincerely at a loss of words.
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Re: Community Standards
For over 20 years, I have been coming [far too often] to tubenet to both engage in tuba talk and learn from it and to escape the ever-increasing narrowness of this PC world around us. Those very few wingnuts that caused a ripple here were rapidly exorcised and things went along quite well.
I understand that our forum owners are military and are forbidden to engage in political activities and I get that; politics were generally kept from getting over the top. As to lgbtq+, whatever, issues, almost never did they become an issue until someone determined that we all need re-education. This is a sad week on many fronts.
Scottw
I understand that our forum owners are military and are forbidden to engage in political activities and I get that; politics were generally kept from getting over the top. As to lgbtq+, whatever, issues, almost never did they become an issue until someone determined that we all need re-education. This is a sad week on many fronts.
Scottw
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Re: Community Standards
+1
I'm given to understand that Elephant has been banned.
I'm given to understand that Elephant has been banned.
- tbonesullivan
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Re: Community Standards
Well that's a dang shame. He's one of the people that really WAS tube net. Kind of upsetting to see so many people getting banned and leaving all at the same time.
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Re: Community Standards
UncleBeer wrote:+1
I'm given to understand that Elephant has been banned.
Guess he was too mean.
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- GC
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Re: Community Standards
I'm unable to find "elephant", "wade", or "rackey" in the membership list.
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- tbonesullivan
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Re: Community Standards
They were purged, most likely, along with all the knowledge they had imparted. I guess they were worried about subliminal bigoted messages hidden in their posts.
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- binlove
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Re: Community Standards
I mean, all the posts are right there, intact (other than the user info). I'm sad we won't get to have the whole project documented for posterity in one place, but there's no reason to be dramatic.
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Hahahahahaha. Attribution of contribution of knowledge is no small thing. I guess times change . . .binlove wrote:I mean, all the posts are right there, intact (other than the user info). I'm sad we won't get to have the whole project documented for posterity in one place, but there's no reason to be dramatic.