National Anthem

TMurphy · Post by **TMurphy** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:33 pm

I know this isn't what the thread is about, but I cannot get the politics forum to appear, despite my best efforts, I log out, I log back in, I try a different browser...nothing. Any ideas???

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:57 pm

TMurphy wrote:I know this isn't what the thread is about, but I cannot get the politics forum to appear, despite my best efforts, I log out, I log back in, I try a different browser...nothing. Any ideas???

From my inbox contents, I gather that Sean's got to sign you up himself.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:47 pm

WoodSheddin · Post by **WoodSheddin** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:00 am

TMurphy wrote:I know this isn't what the thread is about, but I cannot get the politics forum to appear, despite my best efforts, I log out, I log back in, I try a different browser...nothing. Any ideas???

Click on Usergroups above and join the Politics Group. Then it will appear.

Doug@GT · Post by **Doug@GT** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:41 am

The Stars and Stripes Forever Lyrics
by John Philip Sousa - 1897

Let martial note in triumph float
And liberty extend its mighty hand
A flag appears 'mid thunderous cheers,
The banner of the Western land.
The emblem of the brave and true
Its folds protect no tyrant crew;
The red and white and starry blue
Is freedom's shield and hope.
Other nations may deem their flags the best
And cheer them with fervid elation
But the flag of the North and South and West
Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom's nation.

Hurrah for the flag of the free!
May it wave as our standard forever,
The gem of the land and the sea,
The banner of the right.
Let despots remember the day
When our fathers with mighty endeavor
Proclaimed as they marched to the fray
That by their might and by their right
It waves forever.

Let eagle shriek from lofty peak
The never-ending watchword of our land;
Let summer breeze waft through the trees
The echo of the chorus grand.
Sing out for liberty and light,
Sing out for freedom and the right.
Sing out for Union and its might,
O patriotic sons.
Other nations may deem their flags the best
And cheer them with fervid elation,
But the flag of the North and South and West
Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom's nation.

Hurrah for the flag of the free.
May it wave as our standard forever
The gem of the land and the sea,
The banner of the right.
Let despots remember the day
When our fathers with might endeavor
Proclaimed as they marched to the fray,
That by their might and by their right
It waves forever.

Just did a quick google search. Use as authoritative at your own peril.

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:42 am

Sousa did set words to Stars & Stripes - we always have a choir sing them for the annual 4th of July 1812 overture concert complete with 12 civil war canons.
http://www.dws.org/sousa/starsstripes.htm

Doug@GT · Post by **Doug@GT** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:56 am

To all those, like myself, who are too dumb to see how the lyrics match the tune....

The Stars and Stripes Forever

TonyZ · Post by **TonyZ** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:34 am

djohnson wrote:The national anthem should be revered and SHOULD NOT be arranged, performed or embelished upon by composers, performers or anybodyelse that thinks they know a better way to perform it, or how the anthem should be presented.

What then would be the definitive arrangement? I played for Keith Brion once and he performs it slowly, connected and in a non-Friday night reverential style. He uses Sousa's arrangement, of course. There are many others, of course, some good and some not. Just curious!

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:40 pm

Well, it's a good thing that today's copyright laws weren't in effect when Francis stole the melody from the Anacreontic Society or he'dve been bankrupted and perhaps in prison.

Note that the original's in 6/4, as a march:

TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:01 pm

Doc wrote:We do have two national languages: Spanish and English.

Doc

Si.

I LOVE the C. Dragon arrangement of AtB, but we've got the right national anthem. But my favorite national anthem is the old soviet union one. It's a great piece of music.

Ralph

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:05 pm

Doc wrote:We do have two national languages: Spanish and English.

Doc

How about Inuit, Hawaiian, Navaho, etc?

ThomasDodd · Post by **ThomasDodd** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:48 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:Well, it's a good thing that today's copyright laws weren't in effect when Francis stole the melody from the Anacreontic Society or he'dve been bankrupted and perhaps in prison.

I though someone else was responsiblke for the music. Keys just wrote his poem, and later someone else set it to music.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:38 pm

Key had filched the melody in 1805 for a song of his, but it went over like the proverbial lead baloon:

WHEN the warrior returns, from the battle afar,
To the home and the country he nobly defended,
O! warm be the welcome to gladden his ear,
And loud be the joy that his perils are ended:
In the full tide of song let his fame roll along,
To the feast-flowing board let us gratefully throng,
Where, mixed with the olive, the laurel shall wave,
And form a bright wreath for the brows of the brave

But he wasn't the first--it was used as the melody to a campaign song by Robert Treat Paine in 1798:

YE sons of Columbia, who bravely have fought,
For those rights, which unstained from your Sires had descended,
May you long taste the blessings your valour has brought,
And your sons reap the soil which their fathers defended.
'Mid the regin of mild Peace,
May your nation increase,
With the glory of Rome, and the wisdom of Greece;
And ne'er shall the sons of Colmbia be slaves,
While the earth bears a plant, or the sea rolls its waves.

It's kind of ironic that the melody was written by an Englishman, but then "Dixie" was written in New York by a native Ohioan...

sinfonian · Post by **sinfonian** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:26 pm

The 1st Brigade Band has a page that has six recording of the SSB based on arrangements from the 18th century to present.

http://www.1stbrigadeband.org/SSB.html

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:59 am

Chuck(G) wrote:... Francis stole the melody from the Anacreontic Society ...

So, does that mean the "Banner" is an "Anacreon-ism"?

Tabor · Post by **Tabor** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:16 am

I like the current Russian National Anthem

http://www.vad1.com/anthems/

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:16 pm

Doc wrote:The thing that pisses me off about the National Anthem is the irreverence and lack of dignity shown by players and conductors in its performance. No song should be more reverent or dignified. Crowds are either too stupid to sing it, don't know it, or are poor patriots. Or all three. I don't think it would matter what song was played as the "National Anthem", apathy knows no bounds.

Doc

Agreed. This has reached a pinnacle at Dallas Stars hockey games, where no one SINGS the anthem, they just wait for every time the word "Star" appears and shout it at the top of their lungs. I went to one game, and witnessed this little "joke". I never went back.
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