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MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:19 am

greatk82 wrote:Gee, now I now how Bob feels.

With his hands??

tubatooter1940 · Post by **tubatooter1940** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:36 am

I gather from this discussion that the professionals now have their own exclusive forum.
I balk at calling myself a professional because my 24 years trumpeting and guitaring in a rock-soul-blues bar bands will not win me a back row gig with the CSO.
My age (65) and my present gig as tuba honker/vocalist for John Reno and the Half-Fast Creekers is hardly legit. http://cdbaby.com/cd/johnrenohfc
Our Danish friend Klaus (who is sorely missed) would likely throw cabbage at me if he heard what I'm up to these days on tuba.
I join our good friend Schlepporelo in declaring what I also should be considered sub-professional. I believe any comments I may have might hinder serious players who bring no beer to a gig.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:13 am

tubatooter1940 wrote:might hinder serious players who bring no beer to a gig

Ssssh! That's what you keep in those 5th valves, but you didn't hear it from me!

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:01 pm

I never knew there was a separate professional forum - that is a great shame! I would have thought the tuba community is really too small to split into sub-groups - we can all learn from each other. But it is Sean's Forum and of course his decision.

I am a relative newcomer on TubeNet, only visiting the last three years. But it is quite obvious to me the drop off in posts - at least interesting or useful ones. I have started a few threads myself to try and drum up discussion with variable results. It is difficult to tell if a subject is going to generate a lot of interest, or die after one, or two posts.

Well, I suppose the message is, look at TubeNet less and spend more time practicing!

Jonathan "who may not be a professional, but tries to produce professional results"

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:14 pm

Neptune wrote:I never knew there was a separate professional forum - that is a great shame! I would have thought the tuba community is really too small to split into sub-groups - we can all learn from each other. But it is Sean's Forum and of course his decision.

I am a relative newcomer on TubeNet, only visiting the last three years. But it is quite obvious to me the drop off in posts - at least interesting or useful ones. I have started a few threads myself to try and drum up discussion with variable results. It is difficult to tell if a subject is going to generate a lot of interest, or die after one, or two posts.

Well, I suppose the message is, look at TubeNet less and spend more time practicing!

Jonathan "who may not be a professional, but tries to produce professional results"

I agree with Jonathan. Tubenet has always, until now, seemed so open and democratic. A secret sub-society not open to all seems so clanish and undemocratic. While it is probably harmless "professional" topic discussions how do we know it isn't "All about Bob all the time"? When it was originally stated that one could get a "professional" designation I don't remember it being stated that there would be a separate exclusive area where the chosen can in effect change channels and speak about somebody behind their back etc. I could see how that would cause folks to post less.

How about it Sean - open it up to the cleansing light of day and let us peer inside to see if any cockroaches are scurrying about?

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:29 pm

tofu wrote:How about it Sean - open it up to the cleansing light of day

Yes, even if us plebs cannot post to the professional forum, at least let us view and learn from it. What is being discussed which needs to be kept secret???

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:04 pm

the elephant wrote: Did neither of you read my post about this further up the thread? My God, the paranoia!

No kidding! And, who cares, anyway. Considering the high status of some of the professionals we have, I see no problem allowing them to have an additional, and separate, site. Don't tell me we have class envy even on TubeNet!

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:45 pm

TubaRay wrote:
the elephant wrote: Did neither of you read my post about this further up the thread? My God, the paranoia!
No kidding! And, who cares, anyway. Considering the high status of some of the professionals we have, I see no problem allowing them to have an additional, and separate, site. Don't tell me we have class envy even on TubeNet!

I think you are missing my point. This is nothing to do with "envy", or "paranoia". The point is that surely the main purpose of a forum like TubeNet is to exchange ideas and gain knowledge. By having a separate Professional Forum which is not viewable means, thoughts and knowledge is (possibly - we don't know without seeing) being given by some of the best musicians from which tubists aspiring to advance cannot learn.

The number of posts may be small, but just one may include a revelation. I can quite well see why Sean may want to have a separate forum where professional tubists can discuss without being argued with by spotty teenagers, but just feel it a shame that it is not viewable, so the rest of us can learn from any insights.

THE TUBA · Post by **THE TUBA** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:07 pm

We armatures can only speculate and the glorious discussion that surely goes on in the pro section. It's like the supreme court... the Supreme Tubenet Freak Jury. Hopefully they will share their decisions on Rotor v. Piston and Silver v. lacquer.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:41 pm

Big News! Rotor vs. Piston has been overturned!!

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:36 pm

windshieldbug wrote:Big News! Rotor vs. Piston has been overturned!!

Score another LOL!

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:08 am

the elephant wrote:
tofu wrote:
Neptune wrote:I never knew there was a separate professional forum - that is a great shame! I would have thought the tuba community is really too small to split into sub-groups - we can all learn from each other. But it is Sean's Forum and of course his decision.

I am a relative newcomer on TubeNet, only visiting the last three years. But it is quite obvious to me the drop off in posts - at least interesting or useful ones. I have started a few threads myself to try and drum up discussion with variable results. It is difficult to tell if a subject is going to generate a lot of interest, or die after one, or two posts.

Well, I suppose the message is, look at TubeNet less and spend more time practicing!

Jonathan "who may not be a professional, but tries to produce professional results"
I agree with Jonathan. Tubenet has always, until now, seemed so open and democratic. A secret sub-society not open to all seems so clanish and undemocratic. While it is probably harmless "professional" topic discussions how do we know it isn't "All about Bob all the time"? When it was originally stated that one could get a "professional" designation I don't remember it being stated that there would be a separate exclusive area where the chosen can in effect change channels and speak about somebody behind their back etc. I could see how that would cause folks to post less.

How about it Sean - open it up to the cleansing light of day and let us peer inside to see if any cockroaches are scurrying about?
Did neither of you read my post about this further up the thread? My God, the paranoia!

Well yes I did - I think a lot of us serious amatuers are here in main part to gather the insight of pro's like yourself and it just seems like with a separate section maybe some of that insight stays out of sight.

But to quote Groucho Marx: "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."

Admit it Wade -- the professional section is the super secret hidden location of "We-All-Love-Wade-Land"

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