white rap

[adam0408]

What about the beastie boys? I dont see them as adopting the vocal stylings or slang of black rappers. They are undoubtedly influenced by, but not consumed by, their darker-race counterparts.

They, although I am personally not too fond of them, redefined popular music as being the first (commercially successful) white rap group combining rock and roll and rap in case you didn't know.

Perhaps in some cases you are confusing "blackisms" with "pop-culturesims" because it is often so hard to distugiush between terms and their origins. Keep in mind that there is also a lot of stuff out there that you are probably not aware of because MTV does not show it. Also, I don't mean to mock you for your age (in fact far from it) but it is very difficult for people over the age of, lets say, 30, to keep abreast of current pop culture trends and issues because they change so quickly, and people that age have different concerns like bills and responsibility.

Also, keep in mind that you are talking about musical styles. Comparing 50's "rap" with the rap of today is like comparing rock and Country. The two hold many similarities, but are very easily distinguished in most cases, thus the different labels. What you are referring to is likely to fall more under the "spoken word" genre rather than rap. When you say "put on a black face" you may just be referring to the charteristics of a genre.

Rap is termed rap because of the spoken inflections, rhythm and rhyme. These are characteristics of the genre. Although these characteristics of rap were invented by black artists, why do they have to be a race-exclusive phenomena? White artists in Jazz and blues put on a "black face" as you put it, adopting the rhythm, chord structure, and scales of black artists. Jazz and blues have expanded beyond race and now color has nothing to do with these genres. Rap is becoming more like this, but I doubt it will happen soon because of commercialism and narrow minded people.

[SplatterTone]

but it is very difficult for people over the age of, lets say, 30, to keep abreast of current pop culture trends and issues because they change so quickly

Depends on one's definition of "pop culture". I might ask how much the average rappy person knows about Tony Rice, Jerry Douglas, Chris Thile, or Michael Gulezian. Probably not much. So who's the culture dumbass with the narrow mind?

[adam0408]

but it is very difficult for people over the age of, lets say, 30, to keep abreast of current pop culture trends and issues because they change so quickly

Depends on one's definition of "pop culture". I might ask how much the average rappy person knows about Tony Rice, Jerry Douglas, Chris Thile, or Michael Gulezian. Probably not much. So who's the culture dumbass with the narrow mind?

Whoa dude, don't get your boxers in a bunch! I never said that made you or anyone a "culture dumbass" I dislike pop culture very strongly, and find most of the stuff on MTV to be utter and complete dog crap. (this is what I define as pop culture music wise) I was trying to outline the fact that maybe older folks are not seeing the whole picture when it comes to rap and hip-hop. Music television, which is probably most people in your demographic's primary exposure to popular music, is remarkably narrow and stupid, based on money and politics. So there's a lot of rap and hip hop that people are not aware of.

I was referring to music moguls when I said "commercialism and narrow minded people." Music comes down to personal preference and its really quite pointless to get all angry about it.

[SplatterTone]

My point is that the musicians I mentioned are current pop culture. It's just that some folks might be a little too narrow minded to recognize it. While you're at it, you might ask your average rappy to tell you a few things about Eric Johnson too. Let 'em display their broad, unbiased knowledge of "pop culture".