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Porky wrote:Even when you let your dog **** on someone else\'s property or public property and then "pick it up", you are leaving little bits of dog **** everywhere.

I'll never allow my dog to **** next to your sidewalk as long as you never let your squirrels or birds come from your yard and **** on my lawn. At least I pick up after my dog.

Dogs have to be walked to do their business. You should visit a farm sometime. There is a lot more **** there than any city I have ever been in.

Sure the person should no thave had the dig dump in the driveway and especially leave it there, but I think your solution is over the top.

Many municipalities have bylaws requiring pet owners to clean up after their animals. You should consider filing a complaint with the city - but the most they'd do is fine the guy (I doubt they would place sheet in his sheets).

It's all a matter of perspective.

Today I went to take a look at the meadow in front of the house. I saw piles of deer crap, rabbit pellets and a flock of turkeys crapped on my driveway and dug up the plants. When spring is in full force, I imagine the birds will be crapping on my porch railings like they do every year.

Sometimes, **** just happens.

Leaving it on the driveway was irresponsible and gross, I'll give you that; but when it's done on the grass, I've never understood what the big deal is. Animal poop biodegrades quickly into fertilizer (exception: large dogs with large poops can take a while to biodegrade, and can burn a small spot of the lawn). Moreover, to qualify as "lowest of the low", it would have to be worse than the jerks who just routinely let their dogs wander the neighborhood. They not only poop on other people's property, but do other sorts of damage, and pose a risk to people in the neighborhood. These supposedly beloved pets are at risk of being injured by cars, other animals, or ME :X .
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Joe Baker, who has a large enough (fenced) back yard that he doesn't need to take his dogs on hikes.

bloke wrote:

Joe Baker wrote:...when it's done on the grass, I've never understood what the big deal is. Animal poop biodegrades quickly into fertilizer...

Hey Joe,

Tonight, Post a picture of the sign that you're erecting this evening after work:

ATTENTION NEIGHBORHOOD JERKS:
**** YOUR DOGS HERE!

No need; they already do! And it REALLY doesn't bother me, as long as said canines are ON A LEASH!!

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<sidetrack>One possible difference, though, between me and a lot of other folks: I use an all-organic approach to my lawn. No pesticides, no weedkillers, poop for fertilizer, mulch the grass. So I have very bio-active soil, with lots of natural bacteria and enzymes. The average time from poop to total disintegration on my lawn is about 3-4 days. After just a few hours, you have to really look to find it. If memory serves, before I switched to an organic approach, it took a lot longer for things to bio-degrade on my lawn. My dogs also had fleas and parasites sometimes back then, too, things that never happen now.
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Joe Baker, who spends a bit of money each year putting cow poop and/or chicken poop on his lawn, and thus can't see any reason to get upset about a little dog poop.

Sorry, Sean... I have to disagree with you on this one. My brother-in-law has a beautiful hedge in front of his house by the sidewalk. He works very hard maintaining his yard and keeping the hedge trimmed. Once last summer I noticed that there were yellow (burned) spots at randon points all down the hedge... all at the same height. Obviously, these spots were made by a rather large dog pissing on it! Granted, it may have been a dog out for a stroll all by himself... in which case, the dog can't be punished because that's just what they do. However... if the dog was being led by it's owner, he/she (in my opinion) took part in an act of valdalism and should be held responsible.

Heck, I've been known to piss in my own yard... ... but I wouldn't dream of pissing in my neighbor's yard

Just reminded of that old joke of hell... one room with guys standing around up to their waists in dog crap, so the new arrivals say, "This isn't SO bad, from what I've seen... I'll choose to stay here!". Then the supervising devil says "OK, coffeebreak's over, everybody over and back on your hands... "

Scooby Tuba wrote:I once had a regular pet walker allow their dog to make a deposit on my driveway (suburban area) and then start to walk away. I had just finished cutting the lawn and was crouched down in a shadow picking something up, so she didn't see me. After bowser was done, she looked around and then started on her way. My response to her extremely embarrassed and great surprise was "aren't you forgetting something?" Her response was "did he do that? Oh, my!" She then pulled out a bag and picked it up. Busted!

Yeah, but if you go back and read the original post, even picking the stuff up and carrying it off with you isn't good enough. I really don't know what dog owners can do and still take their dogs out for walks in urban areas.

On the rare occasion where I have to take my dogs down to town (once every couple or three months), I'll carry bags along with me and clean up anything that happens. But apparently that's not good enough.

Joe Baker wrote:I've never understood what the big deal is.

The big deal is me having to pick it out of my shoes after mowing the yard, or not noticing until after I've tracked it into the house.

I live in the country, and we have animal droppings everywhere. Wild animals are kinda particular about where they leave their droppings (except birds). They generally prefer the spots away from people. Pet dogs are happy to leave their poop right in the middle of the sidewalk, where I will step on it when walking from the car to the house (remember, it's the country--no lights).

But our neighbors finally put in an electronic fence, and we no longer have that problem.

Rick "who has foxes, deer, gophers, groundhogs, turkeys, cats, rabbits, lions, tigers, and bears (oh my!) but who has only had problems with dog do-do in the places where people walk" Denney

Rick Denney wrote:

Joe Baker wrote:I've never understood what the big deal is.

Pet dogs are happy to leave their poop right in the middle of the sidewalk, where I will step on it when walking from the car to the house (remember, it's the country--no lights).

I can agree that if it's left up near the house it'd be a problem. I'm thinking out by the street, where I never walk (except when I mow; but the mower typically dispatches any remaining dessicated bits, so there's nothing to step in.

Of course, I know I'm in the minority on this one, and if I were ever to take our little band of terrorists on a walk around the neighborhood, I'd carry along a baggie. But I still say it doesn't bother me in the least if someone else's dog leaves a pile on my yard.
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Joe Baker, who spent too much time in the country as a boy to get worked up over a little manure.

Of course, some of us don't need the constant affirmation that comes from having a dog and prefer to have an animal that can think for itself.

Doc wrote:Sorry Joe, but it's really about my rights ...

I'm not suggesting that a person doesn't have the RIGHT to forbid pooch-poop on their property. Of course they do. I'm just saying I don't understand why it's a big deal. I have a right to do many things that I choose not to do. I have the right to tell the neighbor's kid he can't push his bike through my yard to get to the (safer) street I live on; but it doesn't bother me, so I let him. My neighbors have the right to insist that the metal shed behind my house (in violation of deed restrictions) be removed; but it's unobtrusive, not rusted, and not bothering anyone, so they don't demand their rights. Likewise, I agree that it's my right to keep people from camping their crapping canines on my curb; but it doesn't bother me, so I don't enforce that right.

Go back and re-read what I've written. I've never suggested a person shouldn't have the right to forbid terriers tossing tootsie-rolls on their turf; nor have I suggested anyone should allow their schnauzer to shitzu under someone else's shade tree. I've merely said I don't understand why it's such a big deal to so many people.
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Joe Baker, who apparently has an unusually high boiling point.

MartyNeilan wrote:Of course, some of us don't need the constant affirmation that comes from having a dog and prefer to have an animal that can think for itself.

"...have an animal..."? Referring to a cat? People don't "have" cats; people are "had by" cats. Grudgingly. This I know, since I had cats for the first 26 years of my life. When I got my first dog, I understood that animals can actually provide companionship, not just their occasional presence. So give me a dog -- even Mr. Big Stuff -- any day!!

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Joe Baker, who just took Mr. Big Stuff and his other three dogs to their annual vet appt. yesterday (Mr. BS is 11 years old, 3.4 lb, and the picture of health).

Joe Baker wrote:

Doc wrote:Sorry Joe, but it's really about my rights ...

I have a right to do many things that I choose not to do. I have the right to tell the neighbor's kid he can't push his bike through my yard to get to the (safer) street I live on; but it doesn't bother me, so I let him. _____________________
Joe Baker, who apparently has an unusually high boiling point.

It's nice that folks overlook some of the 'simple stuff' in favor of just getting along. However, you won't have a leg to stand on if one of these days someone declares that part of your property is 'imiment domain' (sp?) because you were nice enough to let the neighborhood kids use it for a bike path. I think it's just a good situation when everyone abides by the rules. Fences make good neighbors. My dog is inside my fence on my property. I would not take kindly to any creature (canine or otherwise) to take a crap in my yard. I have a neighbor who would just love to make a circle drive out of part of my property. Every once in a while I'll see tire tracks where they are not supposed to be and I soundly remind him that this is not something I will allow him to do. He understands, but nonetheless, keeps trying.

Doc wrote:If the neighbor kid wants to use my yard, he had better ask.

He did.

Doc wrote:It's not so much that it's a big deal that I have **** in my yard, it's that people think they have the right to do it. I have an EXTREME issue with that. And, since I don't want dogshit in my yard, I shouldn't have to have dogshit in my yard.

If the neighbor kid wants to use my yard, he had better ask. He has to get permission, just like anyone else that wants to use my yard for something.

I completely agree. That is exactly the issue. It seems to me that the "founding fathers" understood the basic issues very well. They were well addressed in the Constitution. Our modern society seems to have a bit more difficulty with it. I believe you have it pegged.

bloke wrote:Get a FEMALE cat and have it spayed. ASSUME that it can be trained, and teach it the rules regarding indoor behavior and areas in the house in which it is allowed. SPEND TIME with it, and it will want to spend time with you...

Some of my worst typing occurs when reaching over the cat sitting in my lap. When I call, she comes running.

Now, if we could just figure out how to get her not to yowl when we sleep in the bedroom with the door closed (that's where the pet rabbit's cage is, and cats and rabbits have to be raised together to enjoy each other's company, and ours weren't), we might be able to sleep there instead of the upstairs guest bedroom.

I kinda like having a raggedy old tom roaming the house, too, though it's been 30 years since I've had one. I still have the scars.

Rick "whose cat acts like a dog--but not to an offensive degree" Denney

bloke wrote:Get a FEMALE cat and have it spayed. ASSUME that it can be trained, and teach it the rules regarding indoor behavior and areas in the house in which it is allowed. SPEND TIME with it, and it will want to spend time with you...

Hey Joe, you want a spayed female cat, CHEEP?

I've been resigned to living with a psycho female calico (eyes are different colors), who weighs 16 lbs. and is schizoid. When she sleeps indoors, she sleeps in the dog crate; the dogs sleep out on the floor. They won't have anything to do with her, no matter how much she teases.

I don't dare let her roam the house for fear of what she'll do. She's already demonstrated her dislike for tubas in a very liquid way.

Close? When she was only 4 weeks old, she went everywhere with me--she rode in the pocket of a sweatshirt. She'll come up to you and purr and proceed to take a hunk out of you--while purring.

She's got the racoons scared--no kidding. The other neighbors get their cats picked off by coyotes--you think they'd do the same for me, but NOOOOO...

Stupid coyotes.

I have a dog and always clean up the poop after her. I see poop all over town that people leave, and it just isn't right. We all share this world and excrement isn't something anyone wants shared with them

Deu 23:12 “Also you shall have a place outside the camp, where you may go out; 13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse. 14 For the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and give your enemies over to you; therefore your camp shall be holy, that He may see no unclean thing among you, and turn away from you.

You guys complain about dog and cat poo showing up on your lawns. Around here we got sea gulls dropping loads the size of your fist and pelicans dropping bombs the size your head.
Most birds are not satisfied to let their load fall into open water. No no, they want to hear that satisfying splat it makes on my boat's new blue sail cover or better yet the boats owner. Shooting them out of the sky is not an option.
Two ladies were walking down the street and a bird shat on one of them. The target lady cried, "I wish I had some toilet paper." Her friend (a blond) replied, "Why, dear, that bird's a half a mile from here by now?"